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The funny thing is that just a tastes change so to do some of he connotations that go with certain adjectives -- I remember one of the movies that Barbara Striessand was in had another character that was very full of himself. The character considered himself very learned / high brow becuase he had a "Doctor of Music". In one scene he was testifying before a judge and after boasting of his doctorate the judge asked him "so does that mean you can fix a phonograph player?"... Point being that it times past the connotation of the "artsy crowd" was more high brow (in contrast to a more "pop singer" type like Babs...) {and secondary aside -- now that Ms. Striessand has an enormous fortune and is much older than current pop stars she is more part of "established Hollywood / entertainment elite...}
Current meaning of "artsy" probably is accurate for areas that do have a large group of liberalish folks, often semi-retired, often with connections to retail / tourist type galleries. It would also encompass places like Woodstock NY where the history of music festivals does lead to a kind of an "aging hippie" contingent.
My guess is that as more folks in these categories enter the more dependent phases of their life and fewer folks fill in for these roles there will be shifts toward different kinds of "nostaglic" shops and such that will give a different feel to these areas.
Interesting, so it sounds like the consensus is that artsy implies older and hippie craftsy to most people.
What would be the younger version of artsy? Perhaps, areas where there are many and hate to use this phrase but I'll use it "creative class" people. People who are creatively employed as software developers, architects, industrial designers, but also business people and lawyers involved in start-ups, researchers in biotech laboratories and so on.
Interesting, so it sounds like the consensus is that artsy implies older and hippie craftsy to most people.
What would be the younger version of artsy? Perhaps, areas where there are many and hate to use this phrase but I'll use it "creative class" people. People who are creatively employed as software developers, architects, industrial designers, but also business people and lawyers involved in start-ups, researchers in biotech laboratories and so on.
The ranks of folks actually employed full time as true "industrial designers" in firms that are concerned with design oriented consumer goods probably numbers in the low hundreds for the ENTIRE country -- most folks that major in industrial design end up doing things like working for consulting firms that do everything from design efficienty cardboard boxes to ADA compliant fire alarms and other not very "sexy" work.
Similarly the fate of even remarkablly talented architects is often to be stuck in a very non-design oriented role that requires lots of specification writing for boring but profitable rental complexes and office parks.
The vast majority of "software developers" are not creating mind blowing video games but writing the codes that make sure all the steps that are required to ensure large financial transactions are carried out in accordance with the often arcane political rules regulators pass.
Business people and lawyers involved even the most mind blowingly cutting edge start-ups tend to be far less fashionable than your average store clerk in an upscale botique, depite having deep pockets if they are succesful the mindset needed is often more about being conscience of how spending has to be in-line with potential revenue if investors will support the firm and that value driven mindset tends to dominate over any flights of trendy lifestyles.
Biotech, as portrayed in science fiction movies and such is quite different than the hard core chemists, biochemists, microbiologists and phramacy PhDs that really slave over huge volumes of mostly boring labs and computer simulations of what the next breakthough in life sciences will be -- the sterile offices tend to be more like hospitals than any "fun zone" office...
The fact is that even among the handful of firms that make an effort to be "hip" the majority of workers show up in boring parking lots in boring cars from nearby boring homes in boring office oriented towns. A handful of folks that like the more urban areas are lucky to have some employers provide some kind of "shuttle" that extends the work day through what would otherwise by a lengthy non-productive commute...
The ranks of folks actually employed full time as true "industrial designers" in firms that are concerned with design oriented consumer goods probably numbers in the low hundreds for the ENTIRE country -- most folks that major in industrial design end up doing things like working for consulting firms that do everything from design efficienty cardboard boxes to ADA compliant fire alarms and other not very "sexy" work.
Similarly the fate of even remarkablly talented architects is often to be stuck in a very non-design oriented role that requires lots of specification writing for boring but profitable rental complexes and office parks.
The vast majority of "software developers" are not creating mind blowing video games but writing the codes that make sure all the steps that are required to ensure large financial transactions are carried out in accordance with the often arcane political rules regulators pass.
Business people and lawyers involved even the most mind blowingly cutting edge start-ups tend to be far less fashionable than your average store clerk in an upscale botique, depite having deep pockets if they are succesful the mindset needed is often more about being conscience of how spending has to be in-line with potential revenue if investors will support the firm and that value driven mindset tends to dominate over any flights of trendy lifestyles.
Biotech, as portrayed in science fiction movies and such is quite different than the hard core chemists, biochemists, microbiologists and phramacy PhDs that really slave over huge volumes of mostly boring labs and computer simulations of what the next breakthough in life sciences will be -- the sterile offices tend to be more like hospitals than any "fun zone" office...
The fact is that even among the handful of firms that make an effort to be "hip" the majority of workers show up in boring parking lots in boring cars from nearby boring homes in boring office oriented towns. A handful of folks that like the more urban areas are lucky to have some employers provide some kind of "shuttle" that extends the work day through what would otherwise by a lengthy non-productive commute...
All a very interesting perspective regarding your perceived reality of the workplace, but does not entirely address my question.
Or are you implying there are no arty people below the age of 65?
Interesting, so it sounds like the consensus is that artsy implies older and hippie craftsy to most people.
What would be the younger version of artsy? Perhaps, areas where there are many and hate to use this phrase but I'll use it "creative class" people. People who are creatively employed as software developers, architects, industrial designers, but also business people and lawyers involved in start-ups, researchers in biotech laboratories and so on.
But what if you are older than a hipster and younger than a hippie?
I've met plenty of people in their 40s who I would classify as a hipster.
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Whole different scale / specificity...
