Do I have to disclose this? (disclosure, negotiating, agent, state)
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When we needed grab bars in the master bath shower, we were shocked to learn how much it would cost to have it done professionally so my husband found No Drilling Grab Bars. Basically they are glued on.
The first time he installed them, it did not work and could have been a very serious injury. But after some serious cleaning of the site and getting a new kit free from the manufacturer and doing more research he did it correctly and they have been wonderful for over 5 years. I have every confidence in them.
Should we disclose to anybody they are not drilled into the studs? And if so when? To the real estate agent? The buyers? I'm thinking after the closing I would leave a note about all the service people we are happy with, the cleaning products which work best and the fact the grab bars are glued on.
Just a personal opinion but if they work, they work. I don't see why you would need to disclose how they work. However, since you are thinking about it, I suspect that you still have a lingering doubt about them...I know I would.
If that's true, take the high/safe road and mention it in your disclosure statement (if you use those in your state.) I wouldn't make a big deal of it, just let them know.
There is the reasonable expectation, rather than just hope, that grab bars will do their job when properly installed.
Grab bars are intended to increase mobility and safety. They can be a necessity rather than a nicety for many.
That said, people who are familiar with these handy aids may already be familiar with the type of installation of yours.
And I don't think that "they already have grab bars in the shower" would be high on a list of reasons to buy your house, although they are handy being there already. So I don't think the type of grab bar and even not having them would be a deal breaker. If a buyer wanted to, they could do the drill installation.
But I would feel morally I should let the buyer/agent know they type of installation if the potential buyer seemed really interested and not just looking. But just for info and not like it's some grave error, which it's not.
I saw on your link the following which is a good way to describe the bars to your agent or buyer:
"ADA compliant based on ASTM F446-85 standards for consumer safety specification for grab bars installed in bathing areas for up to 250 lbs"
I would mention in a list of "home tips" after closing, just like you suggested. I wish our seller had given us a list/letter like that. We think are tips and tricks about our house that we'll never know!
They can be removed but I think even non-handicapped folks like to have a grab bar around. I'm not sure what the tile would look like after removal anyway and I wouldn't want to take the chance the tile would be marred or damaged.
Thank you cully for finding the description about them being ADA compliant. That should do it. I will list them in my Welcome To Your New Home letter where I will list the companies which built our deer fence, the wooden garden gate, the garden shed, the irrigation repair folks, the termite folks, the man who cleans our gutters and washes our windows, the names and e mail of our neighbors, the school bus schedule, where we buy groceries, take dry cleaning,time it takes our elementary kids to walk to school (no bus) and useful things like that. I have a standard Welcome letter with similar items I take with baked goods to every new family which moves to our street.
I'd remove them. Solves your concern and many people, myself included, don't care for the look of grab bars. Someday I may need them, but until then I don't want them. We actually passed on a house that had grab bars drilled into the tile since we didn't want to have to retile the baths to get rid of them.
I'd remove them. Solves your concern and many people, myself included, don't care for the look of grab bars. Someday I may need them, but until then I don't want them. We actually passed on a house that had grab bars drilled into the tile since we didn't want to have to retile the baths to get rid of them.
you can put it on a "tips" kind of thing. I wouldn't make a big deal out of it, since it really isn't a big deal
I might phrase it, "The shower grab bars are of the no drilling variety and can be removed if you don't like them." it seems like a plus!
IMHO, its not an ideal installation for someone who puts significant weight on the bars regularly. But many houses are full of non-ideals.
I would suggest removing them to avoid any problems, and do not leave a "list" of things for the buyer unless it's just how to work the sprinkler system. You're potentially opening yourself up to some increased liability in that.
Disclose or remove. I require grab bars negotiating in and out of the shower. Normally no big deal as long as I don't slip. Then hell to pay. And I weigh 270 lbs and can really lurch big time. I have always caught myself to date but I have ended up hanging from things on occasion.
My grab bars are set into studs or 2x4 between stud with metal reinforced joints.
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