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This "sign in sheet," was it detailed? More info besides names, address and phone? Did the form require your signature? Was there a paragraph of random disclosures above your signature? Or was this a simple sign-up, name and agent that came with you?
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Originally Posted by johngolf View Post
While I do not like it, if you "signed" them in then they are entitled to something.
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Originally Posted by just_because
On what grounds? Why not explain your position since it's different from most people's?
I agree with johngolf. The OP went to the development alone beforehand, then came back with the realtor he claims is "stalking" them and introduces him to the builder as his realtor. It sure looks like you wanted that realtor to represent you in negotiations with the builder. If you didn't, why did you bring him along, for a joyride? While I am asking questions, why did you switch realtors? If you hadn't dumped the "stalking" realtor, and purchased the home with him negotiating the deal instead of this new realtor, you would owe him a commission.
I am not a real estate broker or attorney, but whether a commission needs to be paid will depend on what state this is in, and whether these actions created an agency relationship according to the laws of that state.
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Originally Posted by johngolf View Post
While I do not like it, if you "signed" them in then they are entitled to something.
I agree with johngolf. The OP went to the development alone beforehand, then came back with the realtor he claims is "stalking" them and introduces him to the builder as his realtor. It sure looks like you wanted that realtor to represent you in negotiations with the builder. If you didn't, why did you bring him along, for a joyride? While I am asking questions, why did you switch realtors? If you hadn't dumped the "stalking" realtor, and purchased the home with him negotiating the deal instead of this new realtor, you would owe him a commission.
I am not a real estate broker or attorney, but whether a commission needs to be paid will depend on what state this is in, and whether these actions created an agency relationship according to the laws of that state.
A sign in sheet is not a contract or agreement to pay commission anywhere that I've heard. Unless there's more to the story I doubt there's a valid claim by the agent.
Regardless of whether there is commission due or what a sign in sheet means, I think that this should be a cautionary tale for all. Regardless of the outcome, it has create stress and a mess for the poor buyer.
It's a cautionary tale because sometimes we see advice here from agents that consumers should "just call an agent". Like if they see an ad for a house they like - "just call a buyer's agent and go see it". Agents are usually very happy to start to engage and start doing work because it establishes a basis for themselves as their agent - their commission earning agent. This is not a criticism as they are just doing their jobs but at least ideally agents should avoid progressing casually and without discussion and/or agreements.
Snap advice to just call an agent is very poor and irresponsible advice to give to consumers. Consumers should think first which is what I usually suggest - do they want to work with a buyer's agent? do they even understand how buyer's agents work and how they are paid and how much it costs? have they talked to a few to make the right choice?. As we see in this case, early activities when everything seems so casual and friendly can turn out to create all kinds of nasty problems later.
Regardless of whether there is commission due or what a sign in sheet means, I think that this should be a cautionary tale for all. Regardless of the outcome, it has create stress and a mess for the poor buyer.
It's a cautionary tale because sometimes we see advice here from agents that consumers should "just call an agent". Like if they see an ad for a house they like - "just call a buyer's agent and go see it". Agents are usually very happy to start to engage and start doing work because it establishes a basis for themselves as their agent - their commission earning agent. This is not a criticism as they are just doing their jobs but at least ideally agents should avoid progressing casually and without discussion and/or agreements.
Snap advice to just call an agent is very poor and irresponsible advice to give to consumers. Consumers should think first which is what I usually suggest - do they want to work with a buyer's agent? do they even understand how buyer's agents work and how they are paid and how much it costs? have they talked to a few to make the right choice?. As we see in this case, early activities when everything seems so casual and friendly can turn out to create all kinds of nasty problems later.
You continually denigrate the role of Buyer's agents. Do you really think that Buyers are better off dealing solely with agents who have a duty to represent the best interests of the Seller?
At least if you ever go to court, you won't need to hire an attorney to represent you. You can just trust the Prosecutor to look out for your interests.
You continually denigrate the role of Buyer's agents. Do you really think that Buyers are better off dealing solely with agents who have a duty to represent the best interests of the Seller?
At least if you ever go to court, you won't need to hire an attorney to represent you. You can just trust the Prosecutor to look out for your interests.
My point was clear and simple. Consumers should think before they run to an agent. Advice to just call an agent to go see a house without first thinking about what kind of representation they want is poor advice. As this thread should teach us.
I'm not sure where and how my post could be taken as 'denigration' of buyer's agents. strange.
My point was clear and simple. Consumers should think before they run to an agent. Advice to just call an agent to go see a house without first thinking about what kind of representation they want is poor advice. As this thread should teach us.
I'm not sure where and how my post could be taken as 'denigration' of buyer's agents. strange.
Maybe a better point would be to interview buyer agents and select a good one rather than just calling them at random to see homes?
Then sign an agency as dictated by the laws and guidelines and ensure that the buyer has the ability to unilaterally cancel if dissatisfied.
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