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Old 07-17-2018, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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$409,000 sounds relatively cheap for SoCal ...
$100k annual income isn’t too far fetched . A couple making $50,000 each .
based on a quick calc, you need about $95K for that house.

but don't let that reality of this or the mysterious MCC color folks' perception of the OP's point.
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Old 07-17-2018, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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I think in any discussion of the crash, you have to include those people who did not lose their jobs and were quite able to make their monthly payments but whined that they deserved a principal reduction because their house was no longer worth what they agreed to pay for it. They believed that because it was not their fault that their property's value sunk that they were entitled to relief. Gee, why don't we just apply that to everything? It's not my fault that the stock I picked tanked, give me my money back. It's not my fault that this expensive piece of sports memorabilia is no longer worth a fortune so I should get my money back. These people, upon realizing that they were not getting what they felt like they deserved, walked away from their homes and decimated neighborhoods and local businesses. Those dominoes can fall fast.
Yeah there seemed to be a ton of “strategic defaults” people getting out of their houses because they were worthless than they paid . I don’t believe there is anything in the constitution that says your home value can never go below what you paid for it .

The banks and Wall Street got greedy but homeowners and investors got greedy too .
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Old 07-17-2018, 11:48 AM
 
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Yeah there seemed to be a ton of “strategic defaults” people getting out of their houses because they were worthless than they paid . I don’t believe there is anything in the constitution that says your home value can never go below what you paid for it .

The banks and Wall Street got greedy but homeowners and investors got greedy too .
To call a default strategic, I'd say it's the couples who bought a house in only one person's name, kept finances completely separate, and the named party on the mortgage took the hit while the other's credit remained unscathed to have good credit for whatever they might need in the near term.
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Old 07-17-2018, 02:22 PM
 
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To call a default strategic, I'd say it's the couples who bought a house in only one person's name, kept finances completely separate, and the named party on the mortgage took the hit while the other's credit remained unscathed to have good credit for whatever they might need in the near term.
Many bought a new home before they started to default on the old. "Buy and Bail".

Many others strategically defaulted even though they were both on the loan. It was worth it in their eyes to take the credit hit rather than trying to dig out.
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Old 07-17-2018, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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The banks didn’t care because they flipped the loans right after they made /originated them
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Old 07-17-2018, 02:50 PM
 
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Many bought a new home before they started to default on the old. "Buy and Bail".

Many others strategically defaulted even though they were both on the loan. It was worth it in their eyes to take the credit hit rather than trying to dig out.
I suppose so long as it was foreclosure a la carte, and not bankruptcy, they could pay their cars and cards but not the mortgage company. It would keep the missed payments isolated to a single account. I don't know if that would matter when seeking future credit.

If doing bankruptcy and sinking the entire ship, there's something written into it that prevents "favorable treatment" of creditors, i.e. paying some accounts and not others.
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Old 07-17-2018, 02:53 PM
 
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The banks didn’t care because they flipped the loans right after they made /originated them
I'm not a house flipper but I did find it funny that my bank sold my mortgage before the first payment was due.
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