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Old 02-17-2020, 05:17 AM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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My daughter went to her final walkthrough in Seattle and found her seller had removed the Ring doorbell and left the wires hanging. They don't close until Friday, so maybe the owners were going to put something there, but they knew the final walkthrough was happening....so hard to explain Is the Ring considered a fixture? If it wasn't called out in the sales documents as an exclusion, can the sellers just put in a standard doorbell or do they owe the buyers a Ring? This is on the sale of a very expensive house.
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Old 02-17-2020, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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I would consider it a fixture that should have been excluded in the contract documents if the sellers want to keep it.
And, if this is the only issue on walkthrough, I would say, "They sell them every day. You can get one for <$200."
I.e., while it is a minor irritant, I wouldn't make an issue of it.
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Old 02-17-2020, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL (Mandarin)
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If the ring doorbell wasn’t explicitly excluded in the purchase agreement then it should be included. Read the purchase agreement.
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Old 02-17-2020, 06:27 AM
 
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No it's not a fixture, it belongs to whoever bought it. It is associated with an account and it has to be paid for monthly. I don't even know that it's transferable, but if it is the person would have to give up their account and then you would have to set up the account as the new owner. I think it's part of your Amazon account, you don't need Prime for it.

Just like if you have Simplisafe,. if belongs to the owner not the house. The owner can remove the sensors and keypad and base and take it with them. It's useless to you unless you change the account. At most it will just sound an alarm but will never send a signal out for the police if you don't subscribe to it.

I wouldn't even leave my ring if it was requested, buy your own.

But they should have bought a cheap doorbell to put there and not leave wires.
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Old 02-17-2020, 06:39 AM
 
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No it's not a fixture, it belongs to whoever bought it. It is associated with an account and it has to be paid for monthly. I don't even know that it's transferable, but if it is the person would have to give up their account and then you would have to set up the account as the new owner. I think it's part of your Amazon account, you don't need Prime for it.

Just like if you have Simplisafe,. if belongs to the owner not the house. The owner can remove the sensors and keypad and base and take it with them. It's useless to you unless you change the account. At most it will just sound an alarm but will never send a signal out for the police if you don't subscribe to it.

I wouldn't even leave my ring if it was requested, buy your own.

But they should have bought a cheap doorbell to put there and not leave wires.
Video doorbells can be purchased without associating them with an account. I think they are between $100 and $200. The owners would just have had to disconnect themselves from the account before they moved. I think my sister has the Google system- it is easy enough to reset the system. There is no requirement that you have an alarm with the doorbell. Many people just use them to see who is at the door or to see when their packages have been delivered since sometimes they are dropped with no notification whatsoever.

That said, they should have put in a plain doorbell regardless.
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Old 02-17-2020, 06:42 AM
 
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No it's not a fixture, it belongs to whoever bought it. It is associated with an account and it has to be paid for monthly. I don't even know that it's transferable, but if it is the person would have to give up their account and then you would have to set up the account as the new owner. I think it's part of your Amazon account, you don't need Prime for it.

Just like if you have Simplisafe,. if belongs to the owner not the house. The owner can remove the sensors and keypad and base and take it with them. It's useless to you unless you change the account. At most it will just sound an alarm but will never send a signal out for the police if you don't subscribe to it.

I wouldn't even leave my ring if it was requested, buy your own.

But they should have bought a cheap doorbell to put there and not leave wires.
This is likely the same flawed assumption that the Seller is working from.
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Old 02-17-2020, 07:00 AM
 
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I would consider it to be a fixture. Although it's a relatively minor expense, I would insist that the Seller either replace it or give a credit at closing.
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Old 02-17-2020, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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Classic listing agent advice "rings" true:
"Only show them what you are selling. If you are taking it, take it before going on the market."

And, actually, doorbells and cameras are covered as "fixtures" in our NCAR standard listing agreements and contracts.
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Old 02-17-2020, 07:17 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I wouldn't want someone else's, especially if it has a capability of master password that someone else could take over.
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Old 02-17-2020, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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They are typically a subscriber service and it would be most secure to buy a new one and set it up. Sounds like a good housewarming present for your daughter to me! They are only a couple hundred dollars.
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