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View Poll Results: Would you let the legal landowner Native American share the property with you for free?
Of course! I'll sometimes give gifts to him to show compassion! 3 100.00%
I'll sometimes give gifts to him to show compassion! 0 0%
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Old 07-07-2021, 03:57 PM
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Location: Ocala, FL
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And what if a bullfrog had wings ? You address it when and if a problem arises. That is when you hire an attorney who specializes in related real estate matters. No need to assume anything yet.

 
Old 07-07-2021, 04:00 PM
 
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And what if a bullfrog had wings ? You address it when and if a problem arises. That is when you hire an attorney who specializes in related real estate matters. No need to assume anything yet.
But there may be previous precedents that I don't knoe of yet. And those previous precendents may be the clear guideline/template going forward.
 
Old 07-07-2021, 04:02 PM
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If you are truly concerned, reach out to a real estate attorney for a consultation ASAP.
 
Old 07-07-2021, 04:07 PM
 
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If you are truly concerned, reach out to a real estate attorney for a consultation ASAP.
I don't want to spend money though because I am just curious and this doesn't relate to me, and this case might not even exist in the real world. Just asking about a realistic hypothetical question if it had happened (maybe it has but is unknown).
 
Old 07-07-2021, 04:13 PM
 
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And what if a bullfrog had wings ? You address it when and if a problem arises. That is when you hire an attorney who specializes in related real estate matters. No need to assume anything yet.
I have OCD, PDD, and Asperger's, am scientific-minded, and want to become an engineer. This is why I'm going so specific into all the possible cases.
 
Old 07-07-2021, 04:30 PM
 
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Thank you very much for this post. So, apparently, aboriginals who got their individual land patent through the Dawes Act actually got to keep their property to this day and weren't disregarded by the government, if they could pay the taxes, get treated to the same standards as whites by upkeeping the property to avoid forced leasing, and didn't voluntarily sell the property. Unfortunately, it looked like the government forcefully sold the remaining communal tribal land to white settlers without the tribes' consent, or did the tribes actually consent to selling it at below market value (unsure how much market value for remote farmland or ranches was back in the day) because the tribes were in such poverty and wanted quick cash ($1 was worth many times more back then due to inflation)?


Are there any people with a Native American bloodline (even if mostly white) here who could comment on how tribal life was like and how their family lineage was personally affected by the different Acts to the "Indians"? Do those even with full or majority Native bloodline actually prefer living off the reservation nowadays? I'm asking because I observe most of them in Northern California living normal non-Native white-American-style lives in houses off the reservation nowadays, since at least the late 1990s when I was born.


I'm now wondering whether the invasion of European-descended people (mainly Americans of British descent) actually helped the Natives in the long-term or not, even if unintentionally. After all, they didn't even get close to becoming extinct, because at least their heritage survives in a many-times-greater population (at least 50 million with partial native nowadays versus maybe 1 million pure native pre-colonialization) of mostly-white people nowadays who live many times better lives and at least honor and respect their small fraction (1/16 or 1/32 for example) of Native American past. What about pure blooded Native Americans -- are their lives, prosperity, and society as a whole still better today than it was in pre-colonialization? As far as I know, pre-colonial North America was always dirt poor and impoverished relative to European standards of the time and different tribes often fought each other and was totally unlike the British invading wealthy and prosperous India. I also wonder if homo sapiens actually helped neanderthals survive (continue their lineage to be more specific), even if unintentionally, because no one knows if neanderthals would have gone truly extinct (dead end of lineage) by now without forcefully being interbred with the invading homo sapiens from Africa.
Can anyone answer all my questions here? I would be more than welcome to have Native Americans respond, even if minority-bloodline Native American. If there are no Native Americans here, can any of you share this post and try to reach people with at least some Native American "blood" to comment here? I feel uncomfortable for not all of my questions, including those implied in the "wondering" statements, being answered because I have the types of mild autism as mentioned above. I'm so good at math that I can do calculus and an uneased that so many things in society are unknown largely because social sciences haven't progressed enough unlike physics and chemistry.
 
Old 07-07-2021, 05:23 PM
 
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I don't have to feel so sad towards Native Americans anymore. While they were conquered, at least their heritage survived by having several tens of millions of descendants with partial Native bloodline, versus maybe a million of the original pure Native Americans before colonialization, the government now respects them and have given reparations by allowing them the special privelege to open casinos, and plenty of their partial, mostly-white descendants like one I know at least honor and respect their Native American ancestry. Their partial descendants like the one I mentioned also live much better lives than what Natives did before European invasion, so maybe it's not all bad after all. Of course, I'll still fully respect Native Americans and even fully respect and forgive the modern white Americans who are at no fault of their ancestors' wrongdoings and have tried to rectify it by acknowledging it and going above and beyond their own responsibility by paying the victims respect, which the one I mentioned and her family and the ones here in this thread who said they'll be okay to cohabitate with the original Native Americans have done. Now it's just time for the modern people who run the UK to acknowledge what they've done to the subjects in their former colonies like India and show their respect.

One less huge thing to worry and be distracted about.

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Old 07-07-2021, 06:29 PM
 
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I don't have to feel so sad towards Native Americans anymore. While they were conquered, at least their heritage survived by having several tens of millions of descendants with partial Native bloodline, versus maybe a million of the original pure Native Americans before colonialization, the government now respects them and have given reparations by allowing them the special privelege to open casinos, and plenty of their partial, mostly-white descendants like one I know at least honor and respect their Native American ancestry. Their partial descendants like the one I mentioned also live much better lives than what Natives did before European invasion, so maybe it's not all bad after all. Of course, I'll still fully respect Native Americans and even fully respect and forgive the modern white Americans who are at no fault of their ancestors' wrongdoings and have tried to rectify it by acknowledging it and going above and beyond their own responsibility by paying the victims respect, which the one I mentioned and her family and the ones here in this thread who said they'll be okay to cohabitate with the original Native Americans have done. Now it's just time for the modern people who run the UK to acknowledge what they've done to the subjects in their former colonies like India and show their respect.

One less huge thing to worry and be distracted about.
By all accounts, your numbers are way off. European settlement brought rampant disease--some of it intentionally spread (such as smallpox)--which decimated native populations. Pre-settlement population estimates range from 8 million to 100+ million in the Americas; those numbers were quickly reduced largely due to disease. The U.S. Census Bureau estimates there are only approximately 6.79 native Americans in the U.S. today.

https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/0289.htm
 
Old 07-07-2021, 06:39 PM
 
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By all accounts, your number is way off. European settlement brought rampant disease--some of it intentionally spread (such as smallpox)--which decimated native populations.

https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/0289.htm
I was referring to the population that lived in the territory which is now the USA, not all of the Americas. Also, I mean that the Europeans intemtionally tried to wipe Native Americans out, but may have unintendedly helped them survive and even thrive in the long run by incorporating their genes through interbreeding and having a better life after many generations. Not excusing the actions of the Europeans settlers as they are wrong and cruel by today's standards, but trying to state my realization of the probably-good consequences.
 
Old 07-07-2021, 07:00 PM
 
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I was referring to the population that lived in the territory which is now the USA, not all of the Americas. Also, I mean that the Europeans intemtionally tried to wipe Native Americans out, but may have unintendedly helped them survive and even thrive in the long run by incorporating their genes through interbreeding and having a better life after many generations. Not excusing the actions of the Europeans settlers as they are wrong and cruel by today's standards, but trying to state my realization of the probably-good consequences.
Estimates vary, but there were probably over 5 million indigenous peoples in what is now the continental U.S. prior to European settlement. A ninety percent reduction in population occurred between the time of European settlement and the late 1800s.

You seem to be grasping at straws, trying to validate some good that did not exist.

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