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People, it's a 5-year-old thread some new member dredged up for his personal rant or provocation, whatever. The topic has been done to death.
It's still of interest. You just posted a lengthy response in a thread in fashion and beauty that was started 6 days after this one. You caught it, but added that it may still be relevant to new posters. Same here.
I was sitting in traffic due to construction the other day. The left lane was closed and all of us had pulled into the 2 right lanes. We were stopped and several people (50 or 60 cars worth) were stopped behind me. As usually happens, a couple of cars that had stopped pulled into the closed lane and flew up to the lane closed sign and tried to force their way in. They succeeded.
My point is that a$$holes win fairly regularly. There seems to be some crossover between a$$hole and more positive traits like being self directed, assertive, and so on, which are attractive. Past the age of about 18, when a$$holes do well with women, I think that's because of those latter traits that we all feel good about whether men or women or friends possess them.
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A$$holes usually lose over the long run.
Speaking of traffic and jerk wads who cut through everyone else in traffic, this is great. It's from the stop a douche bag movement.
It's still of interest. You just posted a lengthy response in a thread in fashion and beauty that was started 6 days after this one. You caught it, but added that it may still be relevant to new posters. Same here.
No, I adapted it to respond to the legit inquiry of a new poster. The new member resurrecting this thread clearly did it just to rant. His post isn't even on-topic.
I'm not sure that bad guys lose in the long run. Some push their luck and get busted, and some see the error of their ways, but many are so tightly wrapped in their blanket of entitlement that they never feel the chill coming from the people they f-ck with. Donald Trump is an example, or really, Bill Clinton.
No, I adapted it to respond to the legit inquiry of a new poster. The new member resurrecting this thread clearly did it just to rant. His post isn't even on-topic.
Oh well.
Yeah, he was a bit of a clown, and I could live without the wall of text, and I responded flippantly to him. But then this evolved into something more relevant.
Most men often fail with women... not just "nice guys." That's because when it comes down to it, not everyone you meet and hit on is going to be interested in you. That's life/reality. But when you do find someone interested in you, it's great.
The problem with so many guys (the ones who actually are nice that is) is that they fixate on one woman or even one type of woman and don't broaden their horizons. They will chase and pine away for one woman for months, trying to be her friend and when they strike out romantically with her they take it to heart and wallow in their misery because they invested too much time with their very narrow search instead of moving on to the next woman.
Every man I've been a friend with who calls himself a "nice guy" has dated less women because frankly, he tries with less women (or tries with one "type" of woman). The more women you hit on, ask out, spark conversation with, the better your odds. And don't get emotionally invested in a woman until she says yes to a date... or better yet a few dates.
When they're 35, fat, overweight, have three bastard kids and a rack of debt they can't pay, remember how weak, unattractive, unworthy and unappealing you were to them when you were younger.
Pay them the same favor.
Be prepared to be vilified. In our society, it's okay for women to reject men left and right or rip guys into shreds because they don't pass their standards but doing it back to them makes you a horrible person. To hell with that.
Well with most women nowadays that have their Careers which many of them are so very high maintenance, independent, selfish, spoiled, greedy, picky, and so very money hungry really speaks for itself since many women want the Best and will Never settle for Less. And God forbid if they ever went with a man that makes much Less money than they do since it is all about money for many of them since it is all about me me me which they're the ones that have such a very bad Attitude Problem as well. And the Career women today which Most of them really think that they're God's gift to men which is a real shame that they can think that way when their really Not at all. So this is a very Excellent Reason why many of us Good men fail with women since it really has Nothing at all to do with us since there are many of us men that really know how to treat a Good woman with a lot of Love And Respect. Quite a Change in the women of today Unfortunately compared to the Good old fashioned women that we had many years ago that just Don't exist anymore for us men that are seriously looking when many of us by now should have been all settled down with our own Good Wife And Family that many of us still Don't have today which Most women of today are really to Blame for that since it really does take two to tangle.
This sh*t again! Really? How many times are we gonna beat the "nice guy" thread to death. I'm gonna repeat what a previous poster said. If you're nice in order to get something in return, you're really NOT being nice. However, in many elements of society this is the norm. Take business for example. That client you're trying to strike a deal with. Would you be taking that client out for a round of golf or lunch at one of the most expensive restaurants in town if you weren't trying to do business with him or her? Dating is the same way. The problem is when a guy becomes overly nice. I know a man that is 47 years old. I've known him probably close to 30 years. He's a little geeky looking, but not ugly. Makes decent money for where we live, not six figures, probably average money. He's easy 6'4. However, he still lives with his parents and in all the years I've known him has never had a girlfriend. He's not gay either because he told a mutual friend that he'd really love to find a good woman. The reason why he's single is because he's nice to the point that he's too f*cking nice. His kindness and mannerisms date back to the 1800's. I know three women that know this dude and all of them have said the same thing. He's nice to the point it's a turn off. The women that told me this aren't bar trash either. A guy needs to have a backbone! Doormats aren't attractive. Women are not stupid they can spot a doormat.
Drew Rosenhaus who is a very respected sports agent once said during an interview that you need to be about 10% jerk. I agree with this. Many times, nice guys DO finish last. Too much of a jerk isn't a good thing either.
To the post above, I'm NOT saying there isn't some valid points, because there is. However, I can sense some jadedness as well. I'm guessing you've been burnt more than once. Don't be a jellyfish but don't have the attitude "I'm a good guy, no girl wants me." Or, have the idea that your idea of a "good woman" is one that is subservient, always does what she is told, and waits on you hand and foot. Old fashioned women weren't even considered as equals. If that's what you want be prepared to spend more nights with your right hand then out on dates
Well with most women nowadays that have their Careers which many of them are so very high maintenance, independent, selfish, spoiled, greedy, picky, and so very money hungry really speaks for itself since many women want the Best and will Never settle for Less. And God forbid if they ever went with a man that makes much Less money than they do since it is all about money for many of them since it is all about me me me which they're the ones that have such a very bad Attitude Problem as well. And the Career women today which Most of them really think that they're God's gift to men which is a real shame that they can think that way when their really Not at all. So this is a very Excellent Reason why many of us Good men fail with women since it really has Nothing at all to do with us since there are many of us men that really know how to treat a Good woman with a lot of Love And Respect. Quite a Change in the women of today Unfortunately compared to the Good old fashioned women that we had many years ago that just Don't exist anymore for us men that are seriously looking when many of us by now should have been all settled down with our own Good Wife And Family that many of us still Don't have today which Most women of today are really to Blame for that since it really does take two to tangle.
Aw, the June Cleaver guy is back! Tell us more about how only relationships that last for 50 years are real, buddy.
This sh*t again! Really? How many times are we gonna beat the "nice guy" thread to death. I'm gonna repeat what a previous poster said. If you're nice in order to get something in return, you're really NOT being nice. However, in many elements of society this is the norm. Take business for example. That client you're trying to strike a deal with. Would you be taking that client out for a round of golf or lunch at one of the most expensive restaurants in town if you weren't trying to do business with him or her? Dating is the same way. The problem is when a guy becomes overly nice. I know a man that is 47 years old. I've known him probably close to 30 years. He's a little geeky looking, but not ugly. Makes decent money for where we live, not six figures, probably average money. He's easy 6'4. However, he still lives with his parents and in all the years I've known him has never had a girlfriend. He's not gay either because he told a mutual friend that he'd really love to find a good woman. The reason why he's single is because he's nice to the point that he's too f*cking nice. His kindness and mannerisms date back to the 1800's. I know three women that know this dude and all of them have said the same thing. He's nice to the point it's a turn off. The women that told me this aren't bar trash either. A guy needs to have a backbone! Doormats aren't attractive. Women are not stupid they can spot a doormat.
Drew Rosenhaus who is a very respected sports agent once said during an interview that you need to be about 10% jerk. I agree with this. Many times, nice guys DO finish last. Too much of a jerk isn't a good thing either.
To the post above, I'm NOT saying there isn't some valid points, because there is. However, I can sense some jadedness as well. I'm guessing you've been burnt more than once. Don't be a jellyfish but don't have the attitude "I'm a good guy, no girl wants me." Or, have the idea that your idea of a "good woman" is one that is subservient, always does what she is told, and waits on you hand and foot. Old fashioned women weren't even considered as equals. If that's what you want be prepared to spend more nights with your right hand then out on dates
What are some things he does that causes him to be "overly nice" in your mind?
I think people can very slightly change who they are a bit (I have), but I don't think a person can COMPLETELY change who they are deep down.
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