Is thinking about the possiblity of cheating, cheating? (marry, woman, sex)

[JerZ]

Originally Posted by SifuPhil

Is thinking about the possibility of death, dying?

No. Not at all.

Now. Is thinking about the possibility of death, then deliberately seeking it, going online to find out how, say, suicide is accomplished, then talking nightly with a strychnine dealer...then pulling out of it at the last minute, then doing the same thing the next day, the same as dying?

Well, Phil, it's as good as. It's bound to happen eventually. In the first case, it was a fleeting thought, a normal one. In the second case, it's not just thinking. It's pretty much every possible action save the very "final" one, and these actions are leading up to it anyway. See the difference?

[optiflex]

Originally Posted by SifuPhil

Is thinking about the possibility of death, dying?

Is dreaming of being a ballplayer, your hurt, the manager says to you "can you give me one good swing" you go up and hit a homer. You wake up, are you now Kirk Gibson?

Another thing, why are these always...I have a friend who...threads?

Does ANYBODY have a life themselves?

Does making a thread about the antics of somebody else, make you that person?

[JerZ]

Originally Posted by optiflex

Is dreaming of being a ballplayer, your hurt, the manager says to you "can you give me one good swing" you go up and hit a homer. You wake up, are you now Kirk Gibson?

Erm. No. However, if you're not just having an isolated dream but are hitting up the batting cages nightly, researching the game, then sneaking your way out onto the field and having the ball hit you while in play and you say "But I NEVER meant to actually play!" that might be something a little different.

This guy didn't have a fleeting thought or a dream.

I mean honestly. What about the situation makes it not cheating to you guys? The pee-pee didn't actually bump the girley-bits?

[optiflex]

I remember being told we couldn't hold hands with girls during all skate because that was going to lead to fornication! We were eight at the time.

Another thing, man there's a lot of guys giving extreme details of their online activities behind their GF's back to their Bro's...hmmm...I can honestly say I am on good terms with over 200 guys, nobody has said, hey Pat, you know what I like to do when Belindas working, get online, chat with women and break it off when it gets to contact.

Girls share every nuance of their personal lives with each other, guys don't!



Therefore I call.........shenanigans!

[SifuPhil]

Originally Posted by JerZ

No. Not at all.

I didn't think so.

Now. Is thinking about the possibility of death, then deliberately seeking it, going online to find out how, say, suicide is accomplished, then talking nightly with a strychnine dealer...then pulling out of it at the last minute, then doing the same thing the next day, the same as dying?

No.

Well, Phil, it's as good as. It's bound to happen eventually.

The OP didn't mention anything about "odds", though. Just "are they the same?"

One of these things is NOT like the other.

In the first case, it was a fleeting thought, a normal one. In the second case, it's not just thinking. It's pretty much every possible action save the very "final" one, and these actions are leading up to it anyway. See the difference?

Depends what the OP's intent and perspective was in asking the question. Many paths may lead to a final destination, but if that last bridge is out and the water is filled with hungry sharks you won't easily get to where you're going.

Just ask the people who WANT to die, but are prevented from doing so ...

One thing does not necessarily lead to another in this world.

[SifuPhil]

Originally Posted by optiflex

Another thing, why are these always...I have a friend who...threads?

Does ANYBODY have a life themselves?

Does making a thread about the antics of somebody else, make you that person?

I have a friend who said the same thing ...

[JerZ]

Originally Posted by SifuPhil

I didn't think so.




Just ask the people who WANT to die, but are prevented from doing so ...

Someone who wants to die but has not yet killed him/herself is considered suicidal.

[JerZ]

Originally Posted by SifuPhil

The OP didn't mention anything about "odds", though. Just "are they the same?"

And what he needed to hear, rather than a technicality and a simple "no," is, "Stop what you're doing. Now. Yes, this can lead to cheating."

Odds or no odds. By the way...odds tend to be improved toward a specific outcome when one is actively taking steps toward things going that way.

ETA: Phil, you obviously do not have kids, because after the thousandth round of "I'm NOT on his 'side,' my 'side' is to a line right here (draws imaginary line with finger) and my hand is JUST RIGHT ON it, not OVER it" you'd be well versed in this sort of thing, and your BS detector would have the urge to shut it up mid-stream. Is the one brother "over" the other brother's "side"? Technically (as you say, Phil), no. Is he trying as hard as possible for a reaction, to have things go his way and just generally to stir up trouble? Hell yes, therefore negating any clout he had in how "technically right" he may have been.

Hopefully you're able to take the logic jump to the OP's question via this analogy.

[Mikala43]

Originally Posted by LuckyGem

If he's married it's a problem. Legal commitment to a family/wife, maybe they're flirting with the idea of cheating should the occasion arise.

If he's single, it's not a problem. No legal commitment, only has a girlfriend, not cheating.

Period.

There's also no "thought police" anything that doesn't involve an actual meeting isn't cheating if they're only thinking about it.

I find that thought process odd. I've never found morals and integrity to be only applicable if there is a legal binding document. If the two of them have an understanding and agreement that being with others is not acceptable, then, no, it's not ok.

To me it's cheating (if she doesn't know, and approve), he is actively going online to find women who want to date, and going right up to the line of actually meeting them. That's time and effort that should be put to his girlfriend, or at least some productive activity.

[SifuPhil]

Originally Posted by JerZ

Someone who wants to die but has not yet killed him/herself is considered suicidal.

Not necessarily. What if they ask for a lethal injection? Is that suicide?

And what he needed to hear, rather than a technicality and a simple "no," is, "Stop what you're doing. Now. Yes, this can lead to cheating."

Perhaps that's merely what you WANTED him to hear, not what he NEEDED to hear.

ETA: Phil, you obviously do not have kids,

Once again, you have been led astray by the "obvious".

Is he trying as hard as possible for a reaction, to have things go his way and just generally to stir up trouble? Hell yes

You DO not, CANNOT know that from what the OP posted. Even an experienced mind-reader couldn't know that with the information given. Call it your opinion or whatever, but don't make it seem like it's set in cement because it isn't. Some people get their kicks from "the approach" - they don't NEED the denouement to fulfill their desires. It's entirely possible that that is the case here, but you've proceeded to act as judge, jury and executioner. I understand how what I'm saying goes against the "moral majority" and what MOST people think is "proper" behavior, but hanging a man before the evidence is secured is wrong.

Unfortunately, it seems to be rapidly becoming the official international sport on Net forums.