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Old 10-09-2011, 09:55 AM
 
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“People are afraid of themselves, of their own reality; their feelings most of all. People talk about how great love is, but that's bull****. Love hurts. Feelings are disturbing. People are taught that pain is evil and dangerous. How can they deal with love if they're afraid to feel? .... It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain.”
--Jim Morrison

This is one of the deepest things I came across awhile back-it was a great reminder that others felt what I was going through. I thought at the time it was exactly what I needed. And I wasn't even a Doors fan
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:58 AM
 
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“People are afraid of themselves, of their own reality; their feelings most of all. People talk about how great love is, but that's bull****. Love hurts. Feelings are disturbing. People are taught that pain is evil and dangerous. How can they deal with love if they're afraid to feel? .... It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain.”
--Jim Morrison

This is one of the deepest things I came across awhile back-it was a great reminder that others felt what I was going through. I thought at the time it was exactly what I needed. And I wasn't even a Doors fan
One reason I AM a Doors fan!
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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“People are afraid of themselves, of their own reality; their feelings most of all. People talk about how great love is, but that's bull****. Love hurts. Feelings are disturbing. People are taught that pain is evil and dangerous. How can they deal with love if they're afraid to feel? .... It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain.”
--Jim Morrison

This is one of the deepest things I came across awhile back-it was a great reminder that others felt what I was going through. I thought at the time it was exactly what I needed. And I wasn't even a Doors fan
Really?

You sure you wanna go with this?

LOL--I would think long and hard before I took any sort of life lesson or words of wisdom on matters of the heart from a man who spent the vast majority of his adult life under the influence on drugs and alcohol, before finally klling himself in a bathtub at the age of 27.
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:06 AM
 
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He makes some sense. Also, he was doing lots of drugs, so that's also kind of where that came from too lol.

I was never taught that pain is evil and dangerous. For me, pain aas also a sign of working hard, depending on what you were doing.

To me, pain hurts and teaches a lot of lessons.
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:14 AM
 
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Really?

You sure you wanna go with this?
LOL--I would think long and hard before I took any sort of life lesson or words of wisdom on matters of the heart from a man who spent the vast majority of his adult life under the influence on drugs and alcohol, before finally klling himself in a bathtub at the age of 27.
Dude, I think you're discounting the fact that he was a very talented & creative man. And I understand how he lived & died. Wow- if we judged every aspect of some of the greatest people in musical history from Elvis to John Lennon to Kurt Cobain to Eminem etc. nobody would be respected.
Which leads me to realize it's Lennon's birthday-so I've gotta put a damn good quote from him too--

"I'm not claiming divinity. I've never claimed purity of soul. I've never claimed to have the answers to life. I only put out songs and answer questions as honestly as I can... But I still believe in peace, love and understanding."
-Lennon

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Old 10-09-2011, 10:16 AM
 
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He makes some sense. Also, he was doing lots of drugs, so that's also kind of where that came from too lol.

I was never taught that pain is evil and dangerous. For me, pain aas also a sign of working hard, depending on what you were doing.

To me, pain hurts and teaches a lot of lessons.
Maybe back in the 60's people were taught that pain was evil & dangerous, etc. I don't agree w/ everything in that whole paragraph but overall his message is pretty deep
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:27 AM
 
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Maybe back in the 60's people were taught that pain was evil & dangerous, etc. I don't agree w/ everything in that whole paragraph but overall his message is pretty deep
Well, I don't think the Prozac smiles and the avoidance of feelings and pain at all cost were trendy yet... On the other hand, Jim Morrison did die very young... The reality is not easy to deal with.
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:30 AM
 
Location: SWUS
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“People are afraid of themselves, of their own reality; their feelings most of all. People talk about how great love is, but that's bull****. Love hurts. Feelings are disturbing. People are taught that pain is evil and dangerous. How can they deal with love if they're afraid to feel? .... It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain.”
--Jim Morrison

This is one of the deepest things I came across awhile back-it was a great reminder that others felt what I was going through. I thought at the time it was exactly what I needed. And I wasn't even a Doors fan
agree, for sure. Dunno if I'm just saying the same thing, but people are more afraid of being vulnerable than anything else. I know that I hate that myself... so people just generally assume the worst.
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Old 10-09-2011, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Where Dance Music comes first
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agree, for sure. Dunno if I'm just saying the same thing, but people are more afraid of being vulnerable than anything else. I know that I hate that myself... so people just generally assume the worst.
See, my take is that many of these quotations are derived from infinitesimal experience that simply can't deliver solutions to the vast complications that exist. That's fantasy.

People should be afraid of being vulnerable because there are always sorts of predators waiting to devour. Fear is a feeling, and that's the reality.
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Old 10-09-2011, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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Dude, I think you're discounting the fact that he was a very talented & creative man. And I understand how he lived & died. Wow- if we judged every aspect of some of the greatest people in musical history from Elvis to John Lennon to Kurt Cobain to Eminem etc. nobody would be respected.
Which leads me to realize it's Lennon's birthday-so I've gotta put a damn good quote from him too--

"I'm not claiming divinity. I've never claimed purity of soul. I've never claimed to have the answers to life. I only put out songs and answer questions as honestly as I can... But I still believe in peace, love and understanding."
-Lennon
No offense, but you seem to have a thing for overrated musicians, doncha?
Cobain? Please. I've played with garage bands with frontmen more talented than him. Why is it that a musician's or artist's suicide so often compels the American public to think more highly of that person, or attribute more profundity and meaning to his work?
I'm guessin' the answer is "naivete."

Guys like Morrison & Cobain? Cowards. They can't handle life on its own terms without having to anesthetize themselves into oblivian. That's why his quote about love and emotions being so painful. And he's wrong about people being afraid of those things too. Obviously, he was, hence his proclivity for debauchery. But most of us reach deep down within ourselves in order to try and muster the resolve and courage to deal with it.
And the thing about addiction is that it stunts you emotionally. I once had a shrink tell me that after you stop drinking or using and get sober that you are emotionally the same age as you were when you began your addiction. (In case you haven't figured it out yet, I'm in recovery too, so I pretty much know all this stuff first hand. When I quit drinking when I was 40, I painfully became aware that sober, I was about as emotionally mature--and as responsible--as a 19 year-old.)
I feel that 19 y.o.is fairly accurate as to Morrison or Kobain's emotional age levels as well.
OK, I'll get off my soapbox now. Sorry to rain on your parade. (I think I just mixed metaphors!) It's just that, having been there, I have a knack to see right through the b.s. of all these self-absorbed and debauched rock and roll dudes.

Morrison giving advice on handling pain is like Charlie Sheen offering advice to married guys on fidelity.
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