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Flight attendants used to be EXCLUSIVELY female, no men need apply. Now there are male flight attendants, and female flight attendants can be all ages and sizes. They used to have strict size restrictions, like models, and had to wear short skirts, and got fetishized.
So, what's your point, smittyjohnny? I'm not following. To add to Jet's and my lists of achievements of the women's movement, male superiors in the workplace can no longer take as their prerogative the sexual harassment of female subordinates. Women are promoted more now, to supervisory and executive positions. Women didn't used to be able to choose university studies in the sciences, those departments were barred to them. I'm not clear on why you're not seeing the strides made by the women's movement.
Women in engineering today still have to deal with a lot of prejudice and bias, in some schools. Change takes time. But Jet is an engineer, she made it!
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Flight attendants used to be EXCLUSIVELY female, no men need apply. Now there are male flight attendants, and female flight attendants can be all ages and sizes. They used to have strict size restrictions, like models, and had to wear short skirts.
So, what's your point, smittyjohnny? I'm not following. To add to Jet's and my lists of achievements of the women's movement, male superiors in the workplace can no longer take as their prerogative the sexual harassment of female subordinates. Women are promoted more now, to supervisory and executive positions. I'm not clear on why you're not seeing the strides made by the women's movement.
Flight attendants were basically escorts in the air, eye-candy, if you will.
Maybe she thought she couldn't make it out there 'on her own'? My Grandparents finally split up after nearly 50 years of marriage a few years back after years of verbal and emotional abuse by my Grandfather (he's much better now though) and it's been very tough for her. I just don't think she was ready emotionally to go at it on her own after living the majority of her life with my Grandfather. Hell, I'm super independent and it was tough for me to leave my ex after we'd been living together for 3 years, even though I knew it was for the best. I can't imagine 50 years.
She probably did not have the education to make it on her own.
You have a choice not to listen to those songs. Just because romance doesn't exist in the songs doesn't mean it's dead IRL. Didn't you have a whole thread on this topic earlier this year?
The problem seems to be that things have improved for women (considerably fewer get beaten to a bloody pulp or killed by an alcoholic husband, no way out due to virtually no divorce), and the rest of the world (men) are still catching up. This doesn't mean life is peachy-keen for women, life itself is a messy thing. But at least they're no longer chained to someone for life they don't love. In the 50's, middle class women had college educations, but were bored out of their skulls being babysitters for kids, and maids & cooks for their husbands. Working class women had to both work and somehow care for kids & husband. There was no daycare, I don't know how they did it. Helped each other out, and ran informal daycares in their homes, I guess. Domestic violence is now a crime. Didn't used to be; the husband had the full right to beat up his wife or rape her. Every era has its challenges. And an improved life and loosening of the rules for women also helps men. Custody is no longer automatically given to the mother, even if she's mentally ill.
Flight attendants were basically escorts in the air, eye-candy, if you will.
Yes, fetishized, as I added in my edit. While we're discussing formerly all-female professions, men are able to be nurses today, and women--doctors. Though the few women surgeons endure harassment and a very tough all-male environment. Women have been Secretary of State in the US, though the US has yet to elect a female President, unlike other countries formerly thought to be too macho for a woman President.
If you are a pilot or a flight attendant those careers existed well before the womens liberation movement. Amelia Earhardt was flying in the 30s. My neighbor was a female pilot for TWA in the late 60s. I dont know what womens lib had to do with that. Piloting has always been a profession mostly occupied by men, just as women are overwhelmingly flight attendants and nurses. If a woman wanted to fly the opportunity was always there, and in fact as you know was often easier because of preferential hiring later in the 80s.
I am a pilot, but just for a hobby. I'm a mechanic. If you don't know what women's lib had to do with it, then you're not paying attention.
The opportunity was there, but it was extremely difficult to get a man to teach you because many of them didn't believe women belonged in the cockpit. Many women didn't make their own money and couldn't pay for lessons regardless.
Women's lib didn't just pop up in the 60s and 70s, it's been ongoing for quite some time. Just because one woman did it doesn't mean thousands of others weren't shut out. Even to this day, I've experienced a TON of discrimination being a women mechanic. At least I have the opportunity though.
Flight attendants used to be EXCLUSIVELY female, no men need apply. Now there are male flight attendants, and female flight attendants can be all ages and sizes. They used to have strict size restrictions, like models, and had to wear short skirts.
So, what's your point, smittyjohnny? I'm not following. To add to Jet's and my lists of achievements of the women's movement, male superiors in the workplace can no longer take as their prerogative the sexual harassment of female subordinates. Women are promoted more now, to supervisory and executive positions. I'm not clear on why you're not seeing the strides made by the women's movement.
I think women advancing in organizations has more to do with more jobs being available then there were 40 years ago. It is more common for women to work now out of necessity for financial reasons . More jobs= more women in the work place=more opportunity=more advancement. As for harassment laws, they have come about because of the natural progression of society. Just as discrimination laws have come about. The womens liberation movement itself was a farce. Whatever your achievements are I applaud them. They had more to do with your individual effort than the Womens Fiberation Movement.
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Yes, fetishized, as I added in my edit. While we're discussing formerly all-female professions, men are able to be nurses today, and women--doctors. Though the few women surgeons endure harassment and a very tough all-male environment. Women have been Secretary of State in the US, though the US has yet to elect a female President, unlike other countries formerly thought to be too macho for a woman President.
It's been said that a 'typical' women wouldn't have become PM. Julia Gillard has been criticized for being masculine, and the way she got in ('backstabbing') too. She's not popular anyway, wouldn't be if she was a man. Like with Obama and blacks, the whole 'first female PM' honeymoon is well and truly over.
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