Straight-Identified Men Who Have Sex With Men (calling, social, attraction)
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These guys can't possibly be straight, they must be either bi or gay. Straight men can barely stand touching another man, I can't imagine one screwing one.
Ok, I'm going to backtrack and say that from what I have seen, gay men tend to have multiple sex partners and tend to be more aggressive about sex which is why I believe they contract HIV/AIDS so easily.
In other words, as the other posters pointed out from the CDC articles, the transmission is the same either gay or strait, but what I'm saying is that gay/bi men still pose more of a risk simply because they have such a voracious sexual appetite that only seems to be matched by porn stars.
For example, I knew of this young gay Asian male who would go to night clubs at least 4x a week to find random guys to sleep with. I'm taking every other day, every week, he was in some hotel with a random guy he met at a club having sex. He did it for the thrill. And what about all the bath houses that only gay men use to have sex with other random men? You just don't have that kind of stuff for straight people other then sex parties/swinger clubs which are really just a bunch of people who already know each other and exclude everyone else.
And yes, like the poster said, this guy told me he would sleep with men who on the street you would think they were strait. Firemen, Police officers, and successful business men he told me were many of the kinds of guys he would sleep with regularly.
You're got a genuine glimpse into the gay world most us outsiders don't have, and you're being honest and telling it like it is. People will argue some straight people get downright nasty too, but the difference is the lax sexual relations are rampant, prominent and widespread within the gay community, while in the straight community the same type of behavior is on the fringes.
Unfortunately, I can't respond by quoting point by point, so my responses will be in bold.....I think SOME straight men will have sex with women because they are female, not necessarily because they're attracted to them. Again, some straight men fit that description.
In my opinion it is impossible to have sex with someone, as a male, if you are not aroused by them. Attraction and arousal are different, but they are related.
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Do you not perhaps see a contradiction with these two statements?
Just look at CraigsList as testament to the truth. Look at my city, Kansas City, which is a very middle-of-the-road place and makes for a great example. While you have a few stragglers that are women in the W4M "casual encounters" and "misc romance" sections sometimes, sometimes there are none at all. At the same time, at any given time, there are ALWAYS MFM and WFW looking for easy sex with strangers. The gay men even infiltrate the 'Women Seeking Men' section and try to get straight guys to meet up and engage in sexual encounters, which is disgusting. I know CL attracts some fairly low people all around, which makes it even worse, as it would be the place where the most low, lax straight people would be, and at least for women, there just aren't that many posting pictures spread eagle and saying "come get me", which is basically what the gays do (and to anybody who will listen). It seems like it's sort of women (and straight standards in general) that keep things in check, normal, and safer. Gays (and lesbians as well) largely don't adhere to the standards of normal society.
You're got a genuine glimpse into the gay world most us outsiders don't have, and you're being honest and telling it like it is. People will argue some straight people get downright nasty too, but the difference is the lax sexual relations are rampant, prominent and widespread within the gay community, while in the straight community the same type of behavior is on the fringes.
Yes, absolutely, the word of a straight person who knows a few people is entirely representative of the entire gay community.
If my entire point of contact with the straight community was with young college aged boys in frats, I'd have a pretty twisted view of straight attitudes toward sex, would I not?
Promiscuity is not 'on the outskirts' for straights. It's so in the center of things that it's invisible. There are also differences between the two communities that affect behaviors. Because promiscuity is not only practiced but accepted by straights,especially for the younger set, no one tries to hide it. A young man can go pick up a chick at a bar every night of the week and his friends will think he's a real stud. Gay men are forced into even riskier behavior because their friends and community might react with a punch to the face. The dating pool is also smaller, making it more difficult to settle with a permanent partner.
I know gays in monogamous long term relationships. I know gays who are dating and looking for 'that special someone' to settle down with. I know gays who have cheated on their partner and who have been cheated on. I know gays who are promiscuous (and you know what...promiscuous behavior isn't a moral issue so long as everyone knows what they're there for!)
Are my personal stories less valuable than the other poster's?
I also know straights who are monogamous, who are dating, who have cheated or been cheated on, and who are promiscuous. You know what gay guys are? Guys.
Just look at CraigsList as testament to the truth. Look at my city, Kansas City, which is a very middle-of-the-road place and makes for a great example. While you have a few stragglers that are women in the W4M "casual encounters" and "misc romance" sections sometimes, sometimes there are none at all. At the same time, at any given time, there are ALWAYS MFM and WFW looking for easy sex with strangers. The gay men even infiltrate the 'Women Seeking Men' section and try to get straight guys to meet up and engage in sexual encounters, which is disgusting. I know CL attracts some fairly low people all around, which makes it even worse, as it would be the place where the most low, lax straight people would be, and at least for women, there just aren't that many posting pictures spread eagle and saying "come get me", which is basically what the gays do (and to anybody who will listen). It seems like it's sort of women (and straight standards in general) that keep things in check, normal, and safer. Gays (and lesbians as well) largely don't adhere to the standards of normal society.
Did you just completely skip the 'men seeking women' section? Because not only do I see a lot of posts, the very first one is a man seeking a partner to indulge his foot fetish.
You'll also saying women keep things in check...so guess lesbians aren't women to you?
I think the rule is if you touch a guy's thing then you'er gay, but if a guy touches your thing then you'er not gay. Its okay if you have to put your hands on the top of his head to to steady your self.
but seriously. I have had an openly gay man tell me that he preferred having sex with straight identified men, I believe it gave him a sense of power over these guys when he saw them in public.
Define "young". You mean as kindergartners at school holding hands or something? That's obviously not gay. But we're talking about grown men with kids and a wife having sex with other guys. How is that NOT gay?
The prison situation is a bit different...most of the time that's forced upon and definitely not the first solution to solving the "loneliness" issue found among male prisoners.
1. You don't have to worry about offending me and
2. I have no idea what you mean by your last statement. You mean I'm fantasizing about what is gay and what isn't? Hello! The dude is sticking his hot dog into another guy. That is gay. Gay is when a guy likes another guy enough to have sex with him. There is no way around it. You can't just have sex with a guy and then the next morning call yourself straight. It does not make any sense.
However, I'm probably not understanding most of your statement, so if I sound like a moron to you, let me know what I'm missing in my thought process.
There is a MASSIVE difference between two chicks kissing and two dudes having sex.
A grown man, married and with kids, who regularly has sex with other men on the sly is almost certainly gay. That's not who I am talking about.
I am talking about the fact that plenty of straight men have had some kind of same-sex contact at some point in their lives. They do it once, maybe twice, and then never again. Before and after, they have sex only with women. I do not believe men like this are gay. How can a man have sex with women dozens, hundreds, maybe thousands of times, but only once or twice with men, be gay? Sexual orientation is defined by what one does repeatedly as a reflection of his or her sexual desires. It is not defined by what someone does only once or twice in their entire lives.
I had read this had to do a lot of the porn industry and how they slowly introduce "new" experiences to try to keep the patrons returning to the website. I have read about this happening with both men and women. Also, couldn't this align with what happens in prison populations. It is my understanding that they engage in homosexual acts yet are heterosexuals before and after those experiences. Sex itself can possess someone to the point that anything starts looking good and as an addiction, the experiences can take many forms. I have seen many now identified as homosexual exclusively and women also that had plenty of heterosexual encounters, marrying and having children after sowing their "wild oats" when younger.
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