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Just think of overzealous male religious nuts; they see two guys holding hands and they're ready to stone them to death, yet I somehow believe he'd have a different 'reaction' if it was two attractive women engaging in sexy time.
I've never understood why it's okay for a female to lez it out and they're still straight or bi-curious, yet a guy is automatically homosexual.
Must have something to do with feminiity. Women can call each other girlfriends, go potty together, hold hands when walking in a crowded area, other things that are labled as feminine traits. Maybe it makes it easier to get away with it. I don't know.
Oh and don't try to defend the idea that men can be bi, because that must mean you're gay yourself.
I think many people are confusing sexual attraction for sexual action.
Gay men are sexually attracted to other men. That does not mean they are incapable of having sex with women. This is what always cracks me up when people start into the entire 'but gays can't reproduce!!" thing, with the suggestion that if we were all gay the species would die out.
A person doesn't need to be sexually attracted to their partner to have sex with them. Are you going to tell me that no straight male has ever had sex with a woman they found sexually unattractive simply because she was available and willing? Not finding your partner sexually attractive doesn't shut the whole system down. You might be a little slower to respond or need to fantasize a bit, but the body is often ready and willing even when the mind is more of an 'ewwww' opinion.
This is especially true in males because of the way the sex organs are designed. Men can get an erection just from a warm breeze...they don't need a whole lot of provocation to get going, or a whole lot of something special to finish.
Sometimes it is about what is available. Denying that straight men are sometimes in a position where they'll take what they can get is just silly. It's almost insulting to their masculinity, really. After all, isn't it a very masculine thing to be so focused on sex that any warm orifice will do? Mind you, I'm not speaking in reality, but culturally speaking.
If a straight guy can have sex with a woman he finds unappealing because she's there and said yes, he can have sex with a man for the same reason. If he has sex with a woman who was 'not his type' (let's say she was nerdy and had bad teeth and was overweight and whatever else you shallow people think counts) that doesn't mean he now finds people of that type attractive. His desires remain unchanged despite his actions.
I'm asexual, meaning I don't experience sexual desire toward other people. Yet I'm actually still capable of having sex if I wanted to! I'd find it terribly boring most likely and a waste of valuable time, but I wouldn't be traumatized or hurt by it. I might even think it felt good. But when all was said and done, I'd still be asexual. My action of having sex wouldn't erase my lack of desire, and that desire (or absence of) is sexual orientation.
And yes, bisexuals exist. Really. They aren't unicorns. A man who does desire sex with men and women isn't gay. But a man who has sex with men because they're there without desiring them isn't gay either.
This is way more common than you think. My many gay male friends are constantly bragging about their sexual conquests with married or opposite-sex partnered men. In fact, I've read that most men who engage in sexual acts with other men DO NOT identify as gay.
Can anyone shed light on this phenomenon? Ladies, if you found out your man was sleeping with other men, how would you react?
I'm sorry, but don't you realize that if attached men are having sex with other men, thus not satisfied sexually, that they're likely at least bisexual and more likely closeted gay? There are an absolute ton of gay men who didn't come out until after being married, having kids, etc.
All of the below comments are from posters who are sensible and can see reality:
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Originally Posted by bicoastal10
Some guys are just so horny that almost anyone with a warm mouth will do.
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Originally Posted by alexiana
Clearly, those of you brazenly asserting that anyone who has same-sex sexual relations is homosexual don't have the slightest clue about human sexuality.
Most scientists assert--as is backed by a plethora of evidence--that sexuality is not absolute. Rather, its more of a gradation, with the majority of people being more or less heterosexually-inclined.
But I can count atleast a dozen instances of men I know who have sex with and are in relationships with women who have received oral sex from other men. Are they gay? No. They are at a very minimumn, bisexual, and likely only incidentally homosexual.
Why are womens standards different from men? Women who like to receive cunnilingus from other women on the side aren't called lesbians.
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Originally Posted by RogersParkGuy
But there's a lot of straight guys who have some same-sex contact when they're young, or if they are in unusual circumstances (e.g. prison). But most then go on to live ordinary straight lives.
No offense, but I think you are speaking to a certain code of manhood rather than to what actually happens in many cases.
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Originally Posted by behindthescreen
One can have sexual intercourse with the same sex and not be gay. Just like if a woman kisses another woman, that does not make her GAY.
There are some who are in the closet but having a same sex sexual experience does not automatically equal gay. There is more to it than that.
Lots of close mindedness and homophobia going on in here. Men and their insecure need to call out gays to protect their own masculinity
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Originally Posted by Oleg Bach
The prisons are full of long time inmates...who have their submissive sex slaves...There used to be a name for these men- they were called buggers...or sodomites ...I viewed this in a city jail were men who were career criminals who were going to over 18 months would ask to be transfered to the funny wing ..where there were men with breasts wearing sheets as gowns.
Many males that are part of "gay" couples have a history...a lot of them are capable of having intercourse with females...but they have developed a hate for woman and choose what is convenient and what they can dominate...They will never tell you they are straight... Some one said that in California ...men consider themselves not gay if they are the top dog....it's weird....I guess a lubricated knot hole in a tree will do for some...sex is pleasure....you can be the guy who closes his eyes and pretends it's a hot chick...lol.....
This should be a very weird thread.........now when you see a beautiful male with perfect features walk by..and think- that is a very beautiful man...does that make you this thing called gay? What about some people who are practice beastiality...if they do it with a male dog as compared to a female dog is that gay?
Have fun my friends- this thread should be are real twister ...I just hope it does not turn anyone gay or straight.
That bolded part is an interesting concept, one that I don't doubt at least exists, regardless of how common or widespread it is.
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What the folks in this thread need to understand is that a physical act is not what determines one's sexual orientation. IE: a gay man doesn't become straight if he has sex with a woman.
I think many people are confusing sexual attraction for sexual action.
Gay men are sexually attracted to other men. That does not mean they are incapable of having sex with women. This is what always cracks me up when people start into the entire 'but gays can't reproduce!!" thing, with the suggestion that if we were all gay the species would die out.
A person doesn't need to be sexually attracted to their partner to have sex with them. Are you going to tell me that no straight male has ever had sex with a woman they found sexually unattractive simply because she was available and willing? Not finding your partner sexually attractive doesn't shut the whole system down. You might be a little slower to respond or need to fantasize a bit, but the body is often ready and willing even when the mind is more of an 'ewwww' opinion.
This is especially true in males because of the way the sex organs are designed. Men can get an erection just from a warm breeze...they don't need a whole lot of provocation to get going, or a whole lot of something special to finish.
Sometimes it is about what is available. Denying that straight men are sometimes in a position where they'll take what they can get is just silly. It's almost insulting to their masculinity, really. After all, isn't it a very masculine thing to be so focused on sex that any warm orifice will do? Mind you, I'm not speaking in reality, but culturally speaking.
If a straight guy can have sex with a woman he finds unappealing because she's there and said yes, he can have sex with a man for the same reason. If he has sex with a woman who was 'not his type' (let's say she was nerdy and had bad teeth and was overweight and whatever else you shallow people think counts) that doesn't mean he now finds people of that type attractive. His desires remain unchanged despite his actions.
I'm asexual, meaning I don't experience sexual desire toward other people. Yet I'm actually still capable of having sex if I wanted to! I'd find it terribly boring most likely and a waste of valuable time, but I wouldn't be traumatized or hurt by it. I might even think it felt good. But when all was said and done, I'd still be asexual. My action of having sex wouldn't erase my lack of desire, and that desire (or absence of) is sexual orientation.
And yes, bisexuals exist. Really. They aren't unicorns. A man who does desire sex with men and women isn't gay. But a man who has sex with men because they're there without desiring them isn't gay either.
Thank you. The ignorance in this thread is rather silly. People act like all this is new. It's as old as the species itself. Hell, the ancient Greeks didn't have any concept of homo or hetero sexual. They just had sex with whoever they found attractive.
I would be in extreme fear for my health. If you're a man who likes to engage in any kind of sexual activity with other men, you should make your female partners aware of it. It's extremely selfish and irresponsible to put their health at risk while you're having "relations" with other men.
This response is thrilling! You are admitting that you believe gay men are, in fact, more disease ridden, which I believe is true. However, I've heard this same response on the same subject from other women and it's interesting that they know gays are more disease ridden, yet in another breath and in another conversation, because of their liberal stance and feeling the need to defend gays, will deny and won't admit they believe gays are more disease ridden. It's interesting how people can take different angles depending on the topic and their motives.
I do believe non-gay men can have gay sex. I don't believe a straight man can have gay sex though. There is this thing in porn called "gay for pay", which men who are straight actually have sex with men because being a gay porn star pays more money. They're normally tops in many cases.
I found this perplexing, but I started to realize that these men will just have sex with anyone, it doesn't matter who it is. Basically many gay for pay porn stars are pretty much asexual, and really don't have a gender preference. They don't have sex because of a strong emotional or physical connection, but just because they are detached emotionally all the way around. Because of that, I don't think these men are gay, they just don't have preferences. Just like there are people without any preference towards what they eat, and can generally just eat anything as an imperative for suvival. I see the same thing in men who are usually straight but CAN have sex with other men.
As a straight man, I know I could never sleep with another man. When I think about any man, and then I think about a woman, I think to myself "how can anyone be attracted to a man over a woman". I basically "don't get it". I'm knee deep in a preference for females, and as such I an truly a straight man. Someone like me could never sleep with another man. Self-identifying means you're physically living a straight man's life style. But you're not emotionally committed towards your preference towards women. For me, I have an emotional commitement towards women. This is a big difference that could seem subtle at first glance.
This is the kind of stuff that happens when we're talking about concepts created by society that are loosely based on biological concepts that get presented in absolutes.
I think many people are confusing sexual attraction for sexual action.
Gay men are sexually attracted to other men. That does not mean they are incapable of having sex with women. This is what always cracks me up when people start into the entire 'but gays can't reproduce!!" thing, with the suggestion that if we were all gay the species would die out.
A person doesn't need to be sexually attracted to their partner to have sex with them. Are you going to tell me that no straight male has ever had sex with a woman they found sexually unattractive simply because she was available and willing? Not finding your partner sexually attractive doesn't shut the whole system down. You might be a little slower to respond or need to fantasize a bit, but the body is often ready and willing even when the mind is more of an 'ewwww' opinion.
This is especially true in males because of the way the sex organs are designed. Men can get an erection just from a warm breeze...they don't need a whole lot of provocation to get going, or a whole lot of something special to finish.
Sometimes it is about what is available. Denying that straight men are sometimes in a position where they'll take what they can get is just silly. It's almost insulting to their masculinity, really. After all, isn't it a very masculine thing to be so focused on sex that any warm orifice will do? Mind you, I'm not speaking in reality, but culturally speaking.
If a straight guy can have sex with a woman he finds unappealing because she's there and said yes, he can have sex with a man for the same reason. If he has sex with a woman who was 'not his type' (let's say she was nerdy and had bad teeth and was overweight and whatever else you shallow people think counts) that doesn't mean he now finds people of that type attractive. His desires remain unchanged despite his actions.
I'm asexual, meaning I don't experience sexual desire toward other people. Yet I'm actually still capable of having sex if I wanted to! I'd find it terribly boring most likely and a waste of valuable time, but I wouldn't be traumatized or hurt by it. I might even think it felt good. But when all was said and done, I'd still be asexual. My action of having sex wouldn't erase my lack of desire, and that desire (or absence of) is sexual orientation.
And yes, bisexuals exist. Really. They aren't unicorns. A man who does desire sex with men and women isn't gay. But a man who has sex with men because they're there without desiring them isn't gay either.
On the topic, what you've said I couldn't have said better myself.
This response is thrilling! You are admitting that you believe gay men are, in fact, more disease ridden, which I believe is true. However, I've heard this same response on the same subject from other women and it's interesting that they know gays are more disease ridden, yet in another breath and in another conversation, because of their liberal stance and feeling the need to defend gays, will deny and won't admit they believe gays are more disease ridden. It's interesting how people can take different angles depending on the topic and their motives.
ANYONE who has sex with another person of ANY gender needs to take safety precautions AND inform their current partner. This is one of my big, big issues with cheating and how willing people are to dismiss and forgive it. Having sex with another partner without my knowledge is putting my health and safety at risk without my consent...I don't give a rat's behind what gender that other person is
ANYONE who has sex with another person of ANY gender needs to take safety precautions AND inform their current partner. This is one of my big, big issues with cheating and how willing people are to dismiss and forgive it. Having sex with another partner without my knowledge is putting my health and safety at risk without my consent...I don't give a rat's behind what gender that other person is
Sure, but this thread is about straight guys or guys with girls having sex with other men. And it wasn't your post that I replied to, but thanks for your take.
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Originally Posted by Sweet Like Sugar
I would be in extreme fear for my health. If you're a man who likes to engage in any kind of sexual activity with other men, you should make your female partners aware of it. It's extremely selfish and irresponsible to put their health at risk while you're having "relations" with other men.
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