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That explains why she did what she did. I wish she had spoken up about it sooner, but after seeing 70-year-old women crying in the documentary as they recounted what happened to them, I can only imagine how painful it must have been for her to work through. They took these women's babies away, called these women evil, practically scalped them because of "vanity," lined them up naked and mocked their bodies, let priests molest them, and when they couldn't control them, locked them in mental hospitals and left them to rot. They even severely punished children in nearby orphanages who interacted or befriended "Magdalenes" when they delivered the laundry. All over sex, or just the appearance of sex. Women who were considered "wayward and tempting" because of their beauty and women who were raped were subjected to this, too.
That these places were still open as late as the mid 1990s just shows how NOT liberal some parts of Europe are.
I've never had any desire to go to Ireland, but if I did, I wouldn't now. And I left the Catholic Church a long, long time ago, in part because of its misogyny and its oppressive views on sexuality.
Women use their ***** to control men, if men had access to legal prostitution that might actually take some of that power away. I always get a little chuckle when people who are pro choice, my body my rights my choice types are also anti-prostitution. Isn't the right of a consenting adult female to do whatever she wishes with her body the very foundation of pro choice feminism? I don't get the distinction, you are either allowed to control your body completely or you are not. Get pregnant, have an abortion but accept money for sex and oh that's not allowed.
I'm so glad I'm a Protestant, and a Lutheran at that! I'll have a beer with my sex thank you very much.
Martin Luther was the anti-establishment radical hippie of the Middle Ages. It's kind of funny though most Protestant types I meet in the States are now more conservative than their Catholic contemporaries.
I started a thread awhile ago asking what the big deal was about cheating in this day and age (i would've linked it but I forgot to, you can search for it if you want) and this is on a similar tangent.
Anyway, it seems despite the fact that we're supposedly so liberal, open and positive about sex, there seems a definite prudishness about how many people view sex.
This is all merely my opinion:
I'd venture that it's because humans (it's not limited to people from this or that nation) tend to be hypocrites, it's built into our biology-with the complexity of systems in our brain, we're capable (whether we want to or not, whether we realize it or not) of having mixed feelings, internal conflict (within the mind of each individual person) about a given issue/situation-as a result, we express mixed messages.
We "talk out of both sides of our mouths", as the saying goes-we think/feel that sex is wonderful yet also that it's awful, and both those judgments can be true, to some degree-but it's too difficult to formulate policy or make decisions based on this vast ambivalence, so we ricochet from one extreme to the other in our opinions, rather than try to hold a moderate, balanced course.
Simplicity (having an absolute rule of "this is bad" or "this is good") is efficient (helps us make quick decisions in the moment, rather than taking the risk of hesitation), even when it's wrong (reductive & unrealistic)-and we can't stick to the one perspective towards the issue, instead we tend to either glorify or demonize in turn.
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Because many people today basically do sell sex. (I also started a thread asking if a lot of dating was just prostitution by a different name).
There's the old chestnut about how women trade sex for love, and men trade love for sex. One can substitute in other functions/behaviors, such as "caretaking", "housekeeping", "tangible assets" or whatever two people bring to the table for exchange with each other. It's not always the case, but it probably happens more often than is admitted to (by both parties to the informal transaction). I don't take offense at comparing dating to prostitution, but I don't think that prostitution (if that's a "free choice" made by someone with other options) should be looked down on or illegal, so...
Women use their ***** to control men, if men had access to legal prostitution that might actually take some of that power away. I always get a little chuckle when people who are pro choice, my body my rights my choice types are also anti-prostitution. Isn't the right of a consenting adult female to do whatever she wishes with her body the very foundation of pro choice feminism? I don't get the distinction, you are either allowed to control your body completely or you are not. Get pregnant, have an abortion but accept money for sex and oh that's not allowed.
Because children born into this world have no choice but to be there, so abortion is a responsible decision. People have choices, including horrible choices, by exploiting themselves through prostitution.
I happen to be pro-choice but still anti-prostitution.
Because children born into this world have no choice but to be there, so abortion is a responsible decision. People have choices, including horrible choices, by exploiting themselves through prostitution.
I happen to be pro-choice but still anti-prostitution.
I'm sorry but...abortion is a responsible choice? No no, I'm sorry but responsible is not having sex, taking every precaution possible to beforehand to NOT get pregnant and then when you do, responsible is accepting responsibility for the fact that you're pregnant, going to have a baby and then saying, "I'm pregnant, I'm accepting responsibility for the care of this child." Or asking for assistance with the care of the child. That's responsible.
Having an abortion is saying, "I don't want to be responsible for the birth of this child. I don't want to deal with it." I'm not guilting people who have had abortions. But I certainly would not label an abortion a responsible choice.
BUt I'm derailing this thread. Sorry OP. People feel free to hammer me or not for my response. I'm done.
I'm sorry but...abortion is a responsible choice? No no, I'm sorry but responsible is not having sex, taking every precaution possible to beforehand to NOT get pregnant and then when you do, responsible is accepting responsibility for the fact that you're pregnant, going to have a baby and then saying, "I'm pregnant, I'm accepting responsibility for the care of this child." Or asking for assistance with the care of the child. That's responsible.
Having an abortion is saying, "I don't want to be responsible for the birth of this child. I don't want to deal with it." I'm not guilting people who have had abortions. But I certainly would not label an abortion a responsible choice.
BUt I'm derailing this thread. Sorry OP. People feel free to hammer me or not for my response. I'm done.
You know contraceptives can fail, right? Accidentally bringing in a child to this world with no reasonable way to support him/her doesn't sound so responsible at all.
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