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Old 05-14-2013, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I blame porn for making my first sight of a real life naked woman not as overwhelming as i thought it would be.
Ha, good point. Can you imagine if your first chance to have sex was also your first time to see the female body? That wouldn't go well for anyone involved.

 
Old 05-14-2013, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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So how do you explain all the posts we get from women who say their husband is no longer interested in sex, and only masturbates to porn?
I would say they're no longer interested in sex with their wives and would be finding sexual pleasure elsewhere with or without porn, unfortunately. Yes, porn could be the cause of the problem in rare situations where the person is truly addicted, but in most cases I'd say there is another the couple are no longer having sex, and porn is just a symptom that's easy to project blame onto.
 
Old 05-14-2013, 06:34 AM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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Ha, good point. Can you imagine if your first chance to have sex was also your first time to see the female body? That wouldn't go well for anyone involved.
Surprisingly porn doesn't really help you that much in showing you the ropes in real life.
 
Old 05-14-2013, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Farnworth, Lancashire, England
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As a teenager all there was were the underwear catalogues, us red blooded males will always find something - sometimes I think pornography actually takes away from the imagination and makes it all too clinical. I believe some of it is now becoming extremely warped and offensive, and I'm concerned at whether everyone involved is a willing participant. That said, I think the increased availability of soft-core material - and I'm not even sure what constitutes pornography these days, does it include topless only as with our mainstream Nuts & Zoo magazines - can be a useful sexual outlet for males not in a relationship, and at that level hopefully actually reduce the level of sexual offences in 'real life'. It's a difficult topic but I feel that anything 'hard-core' rather than just fun can lead to exploitation on one side and moral corruption on the other, making the act of love making a sleazy thing rather then the joy that it should be. I suppose what I'm saying is 'moderation in all things' or am I just being a bit old fashioned?
 
Old 05-14-2013, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Surprisingly porn doesn't really help you that much in showing you the ropes in real life.
You speak to me as if I've never seen porn or had sex.

I agree that porn is not good as complete sex education, by any stretch. It doesn't show the full range of what real sex is like in the real world. It's like watching Sportscenter highlights vs. being at a game.

The OP, however, was presenting a hypothetical where men had never even seen a naked woman (in porn or otherwise) other than their lover. That's what I meant. Knowing what the basic anatomy is and how it works before attempting to do anything with it is generally beneficial to all concerned.
 
Old 05-14-2013, 06:52 AM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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You speak to me as if I've never seen porn or had sex.

I agree that porn is not good as complete sex education, by any stretch. It doesn't show the full range of what real sex is like in the real world. It's like watching Sportscenter highlights vs. being at a game.

The OP, however, was presenting a hypothetical where men had never even seen a naked woman (in porn or otherwise) other than their lover. That's what I meant. Knowing what the basic anatomy is and how it works before attempting to do anything with it is generally beneficial to all concerned.
This is true. Once upon a time a man would have seen plenty of naked women and seen people having sex before he did it himself (we're talking caveman days). Now his only opportunity to see how it's done is through porn. So yes, a man today who has never seen a woman naked even on a screen will be even more clueless.
 
Old 05-14-2013, 06:56 AM
 
Location: NY
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Really? Men need to "see" someone actually perform sex to have a clue as to what might be going on?



I think that is overstating it. One does not need to see sex on TV, or live, to have an idea. Sure, some basic knowledge of anatomy and such may be helpful. That said, I think if some clueless 21st century guy got naked with a woman, and did not fully know what to do, the woman would guide him to the right spot.
 
Old 05-14-2013, 06:59 AM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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Really? Men need to "see" someone actually perform sex to have a clue as to what might be going on?



I think that is overstating it. One does not need to see sex on TV, or live, to have an idea. Sure, some basic knowledge of anatomy and such may be helpful. That said, I think if some clueless 21st century guy got naked with a woman, and did not fully know what to do, the woman would guide him to the right spot.
Well yes nature would take it's course, but with humans in particular we learn a lot from example. I suspect it largely comes naturally with most animals, but with humans there might be some learning too.
 
Old 05-14-2013, 07:10 AM
 
Location: NY
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Humans are inquisitive and want to learn. So there is a natural desire for someone to seek out more knowledge on things.

It just isn't a necessity. Also, I think the amount of help it provides a virgin is being a little overstated (and I can only speak from the experience of someone who was a virgin at one point and no longer is).

For a bad analogy, I could equate it to riding a bike. If you did not know, you could read up all kinds of things on bike riding. See pictures. Watch videos. Learn the physics of how the chain, gears, tires, etc, all work together to propel the bike. Yet, the first time you get on, it is going to feel awkward and strange. Your not going to understand the balance and delicacy needed in running the controls and getting yourself (and keeping yourself) going. No matter how many videos and pictures you see, and regardless of whether they are instructional in nature, or true porn (maybe BMX bikers on some wild course).

In a way, it is nice to know what the pedals and handlebars are, and what they do. You do not need that wild BMX course video to learn that.
 
Old 05-14-2013, 11:24 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Back then when we were caveman there was no need for porn because we just did it out in the open for all to see. That's also how children probably learnt about sex, from watching their parents and other adults doing it. Kind of makes me glad I wasn't born in those days lol.
I highly doubt this. During sex, a couple is highly vulnerable to attack. Some measure of privacy would have been sought for safety reasons. Sex was not a spectator sport in those early days, nor is it now among stone-age tribes.
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