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Well, I've started out as completely unattracted to certain men, but the more I got to know them their attraction grew to the point of me being completely physically attracted to them. I've yet to meet a single guy who has said the same about a woman. One of my really good friends is married to an obese ginger guy and at first she thought he was quite ugly...then she started hanging out with him and completely fell in love because he really is a fantastic man.
I don't think physical looks matter AS MUCH to many woman if she is genuinely attracted to who he is as a person. If you're looking to ask her out immediately then yeah, looks matter more. If you're in the same group of friends or hang out at the same place, a guy with a great personality and sense of humor has the advantage over a good looking guy who is dull as a brick.
Understandable since there are exceptions. I just never thought it was fair for women to get on guys for being shallow when many of them do the same thing. Anytime I've ever asked a woman what they find attractive, the word "tall" comes out at least 90% of the time. Besides, I'm sure if someone put up a poll on who they'd rather be with: either Kevin James or Channing Tatum: the poll would be a near unanimous decision.
As far as my experience (I promise you that I'm not making this up to prove a point), I've also been with a couple of girls whom I weren't initially attracted to. One such girl was my last girlfriend who, despite her still being in love with her ex at the time we broke up last year, I STILL think about that face of hers. She wasn't the most attractive girl, but she definitely lit my fire.
Bottom line: women can be attracted to whoever they want. I just wish the endless "men are more shallow than women" nonsense would stop. We are all the same.
Understandable since there are exceptions. I just never thought it was fair for women to get on guys for being shallow when many of them do the same thing. Anytime I've ever asked a woman what they find attractive, the word "tall" comes out at least 90% of the time. Besides, I'm sure if someone put up a poll on who they'd rather be with: either Kevin James or Channing Tatum: the poll would be a near unanimous decision.
As far as my experience (I promise you that I'm not making this up to prove a point), I've also been with a couple of girls whom I weren't initially attracted to. One such girl was my last girlfriend who, despite her still being in love with her ex at the time we broke up last year, I STILL think about that face of hers. She wasn't the most attractive girl, but she definitely lit my fire.
Bottom line: women can be attracted to whoever they want. I just wish the endless "men are more shallow than women" nonsense would stop. We are all the same.
Eh, I'd pick Kevin James because I like chubby funny guys. Channing Tatum just seems like a pretty idiot and those guys are soooo boring.
And if you ask most guys if they'd prefer a short or tall chick (or even phrase it, petite or big) they'll choose short/petite 99% of the time. And not every tall chick looks like a super model, because that seems to be what they all bring up. Yes, I'm tall. No, I don't have Gisele's body.
I do think men are far more shallow when it comes to looks. I've never heard a woman pick apart a man's body the way I've heard my guy friends pick apart a woman's body. I mean, I've been told I'm unattractive and 'undateable' because of everything from having 'fat knees' to 'weird looking wrists'. I mean, seriously? It might be because I've had the misfortune of working in nearly all male environments so I get to hear what they say when there aren't any 'real women' around. It's horrifying and has made me extremely cynical regarding dating.
Eh, I'd pick Kevin James because I like chubby funny guys. Channing Tatum just seems like a pretty idiot and those guys are soooo boring.
And if you ask most guys if they'd prefer a short or tall chick (or even phrase it, petite or big) they'll choose short/petite 99% of the time. And not every tall chick looks like a super model, because that seems to be what they all bring up. Yes, I'm tall. No, I don't have Gisele's body.
I do think men are far more shallow when it comes to looks. I've never heard a woman pick apart a man's body the way I've heard my guy friends pick apart a woman's body. I mean, I've been told I'm unattractive and 'undateable' because of everything from having 'fat knees' to 'weird looking wrists'. I mean, seriously? It might be because I've had the misfortune of working in nearly all male environments so I get to hear what they say when there aren't any 'real women' around. It's horrifying and has made me extremely cynical regarding dating.
The point is when the rubber meets the road men will ultimatly settle where as women will not.
The point is when the rubber meets the road men will ultimatly settle where as women will not.
Yep. Because women, for the most part, can have satisfaction in other areas of their lives. I'm perfectly happy staying single because my life is pretty awesome, and a good man would be icing on the cake. Apparently, most men can't do the same.
Yep. Because women, for the most part, can have satisfaction in other areas of their lives. I'm perfectly happy staying single because my life is pretty awesome, and a good man would be icing on the cake. Apparently, most men can't do the same.
That is true, for me sex is a critical quality of life component and since prostitution is neither affordable or legal that kinda narrows your choices. Making prostitution illegal (which by nature will make it unaffordable because they are taking a risk and competition is lower becuase alot will not do it for fear of prosecution) was the most critical move by feminists, it forces men to grovel in the dating market because they have no other outlet (other than porn which is pretty lame).
If a man could hire a woman to blow him every other day for $20 then he too could hold out, but thats not part of the feminist agenda.
Eh, I'd pick Kevin James because I like chubby funny guys. Channing Tatum just seems like a pretty idiot and those guys are soooo boring.
And if you ask most guys if they'd prefer a short or tall chick (or even phrase it, petite or big) they'll choose short/petite 99% of the time. And not every tall chick looks like a super model, because that seems to be what they all bring up. Yes, I'm tall. No, I don't have Gisele's body.
I do think men are far more shallow when it comes to looks. I've never heard a woman pick apart a man's body the way I've heard my guy friends pick apart a woman's body. I mean, I've been told I'm unattractive and 'undateable' because of everything from having 'fat knees' to 'weird looking wrists'. I mean, seriously? It might be because I've had the misfortune of working in nearly all male environments so I get to hear what they say when there aren't any 'real women' around. It's horrifying and has made me extremely cynical regarding dating.
Don't you think we short men feel the same way? I'll pick either tall or short woman because it doesn't matter to me. I've even stated before that I've dated and like overweight girls. Here are just some of my experiences I've written down on this thread not too long ago (page 6):
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I'm a 5'3" guy and it sucks. Throughout the years, I've been told by women friends, in random discussions, that they're only attracted to tall men. I've even had a conversation with 3 women co-workers the other day who each felt the same way. One of them (5'10") expressed her annoyance that "short women are taking away all of our men." Another (5'5") is married, stating that while she loved taller men, she ended up marrying her husband at "only" 5'10". Last I heard, 5'10" was still above the national average of height for men. Anyway, I only knew one woman EVER who desired men of my height...she's married now.
I once briefly dated a girl in high school (5'5) and her disgusting looking 18 year old sister with a child lamented that she was dating a guy so short. At the time, I wished she had a boyfriend so I could ask him why he's with someone so hideous.
Online dating is terrible. I hardly get any responses (and yes, I write succinct, thoughtful messages). I once went on a date where the girl didn't check my height on the profile. Needless to say she was surprised when she met me.
In that first paragraph, how do you think a short guy would feel hearing women swoon over tall guys? I know I'm not owed anything, but, like hearing about your 'fat knees' and 'weird looking wrists', it does damage the ego. One of the co-workers (not mentioned above and is 5'3") had a 6'4" boyfriend in the workplace. He cheated on her and she broke up with him. She now has a crush on another worker who is the same height as her ex. She said she'd never date a short guy.
As far as your male friends, I'm sorry, but they are morons. I'm sure women would have no trouble pointing out all of their 'imperfections' as they're probably nothing to write home about either. Some of my women co-workers do the same when talking about doctors/other nurses (I work at a hospital). I've heard, "look at his big forehead" and "I can't stand his face" about other male co-workers before. Mind you, these are the type of women who read those trashy magazines and watch those stupid Housewives reality shows in the break room. Believe me, men and women are the same.
By the way, as far as you picking Kevin James, that's why I said it would be mostly unanimous. Like everything else, there are bound to be exceptions.
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Yep. Because women, for the most part, can have satisfaction in other areas of their lives. I'm perfectly happy staying single because my life is pretty awesome, and a good man would be icing on the cake. Apparently, most men can't do the same.
That is true, for me sex is a critical quality of life component and since prostitution is neither affordable or legal that kinda narrows your choices. Making prostitution illegal (which by nature will make it unaffordable because they are taking a risk and competition is lower becuase alot will not do it for fear of prosecution) was the most critical move by feminists, it forces men to grovel in the dating market because they have no other outlet (other than porn which is pretty lame).
If a man could hire a woman to blow him every other day for $20 then he too could hold out, but thats not part of the feminist agenda.
Most feminists are FOR legalized prostitution. It was the religious folks that banned it, don't blame it on feminists.
You already know how I feel about your obsessions with women only being good enough for sex so we won't go into that yet again.
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Don't you think we short men feel the same way? I'll pick either tall or short woman because it doesn't matter to me. I've even stated before that I've dated and like overweight girls. Here are just some of my experiences I've written down on this thread not too long ago (page 6):
In that first paragraph, how do you think a short guy would feel hearing women swoon over tall guys? I know I'm not owed anything, but, like hearing about your 'fat knees' and 'weird looking wrists', it does damage the ego. One of the co-workers (not mentioned above and is 5'3") had a 6'4" boyfriend in the workplace. He cheated on her and she broke up with him. She now has a crush on another worker who is the same height as her ex. She said she'd never date a short guy.
As far as your male friends, I'm sorry, but they are morons. I'm sure women would have no trouble pointing out all of their 'imperfections' as they're probably nothing to write home about either. Some of my women co-workers do the same when talking about doctors/other nurses (I work at a hospital). I've heard, "look at his big forehead" and "I can't stand his face" about other male co-workers before. Mind you, these are the type of women who read those trashy magazines and watch those stupid Housewives reality shows in the break room. Believe me, men and women are the same.
By the way, as far as you picking Kevin James, that's why I said it would be mostly unanimous. Like everything else, there are bound to be exceptions.
This is VERY true.
People have preferences, and there is nothing you can do to change them. Would I prefer a taller man? Yes. Am I more attracted to men as tall or taller than me? Yes. Is it a deal breaker for a man to be shorter than I am? No. From my experience however, women will easily bend their dealbreakers for a man she has great chemistry with, while a man will overlook physical dealbreakers only long enough to get laid a few times until something better comes along. I've also heard, on multiple occasions, that there are plenty of guys who really fall for a girl but won't become official with her because she's too fat, or ugly and he won't introduce her to his friends or family because his ego is inexplicably tied to what his girlfriend looks like.
I mean, there's a reason my ex boyfriend introduced me as his 'friend' and never touched me (held hands, hugged, kissed etc.) in public. He was embarrassed that his friends would make fun of him and think he's 'less of a man' for dating me. He refused to add me to his Facebook as well, but added his now fiance immediately with a big profile picture of the two of him. She's cute, short and blonde so he's okay with it now. I've never heard of a female friend who has done the same to her boyfriend/husband, but I've heard this more times than I can count from my guy friends. Like I mentioned earlier, guys joke around about 'mopeds' fairly often in my experience.
Yep. Because women, for the most part, can have satisfaction in other areas of their lives. I'm perfectly happy staying single because my life is pretty awesome, and a good man would be icing on the cake. Apparently, most men can't do the same.
This.
Plus, it's crazy how many newly divorced men freak out over the realization that suddenly, they have to do their own fugging dishes and the laundry isn't going to clean itself. Oh nooooooooes! Insert new woman pronto.
Bleah. That's why I will NOT be remarried, but will be very happy to have a relationship at some point.
Plus, it's crazy how many newly divorced men freak out over the realization that suddenly, they have to do their own fugging dishes and the laundry isn't going to clean itself. Oh nooooooooes! Insert new woman pronto.
Bleah. That's why I will NOT be remarried, but will be very happy to have a relationship at some point.
Oh man...when my ex and I broke up we still had to finish out our lease (3 months or so) and while we lived in separate bedrooms I stopped doing EVERYTHING for him. No more laundry, no more food, and I made him split rent/utilities evenly (I was paying about 75% of both while he was paying 25%) and GEEZ was he butthurt about it.
He really didn't realize how much I did and how good he had it.
Most feminists are FOR legalized prostitution. It was the religious folks that banned it, don't blame it on feminists.
You already know how I feel about your obsessions with women only being good enough for sex so we won't go into that yet again.
People have preferences, and there is nothing you can do to change them. Would I prefer a taller man? Yes. Am I more attracted to men as tall or taller than me? Yes. Is it a deal breaker for a man to be shorter than I am? No. From my experience however, women will easily bend their dealbreakers for a man she has great chemistry with, while a man will overlook physical dealbreakers only long enough to get laid a few times until something better comes along. I've also heard, on multiple occasions, that there are plenty of guys who really fall for a girl but won't become official with her because she's too fat, or ugly and he won't introduce her to his friends or family because his ego is inexplicably tied to what his girlfriend looks like.
I mean, there's a reason my ex boyfriend introduced me as his 'friend' and never touched me (held hands, hugged, kissed etc.) in public. He was embarrassed that his friends would make fun of him and think he's 'less of a man' for dating me. He refused to add me to his Facebook as well, but added his now fiance immediately with a big profile picture of the two of him. She's cute, short and blonde so he's okay with it now. I've never heard of a female friend who has done the same to her boyfriend/husband, but I've heard this more times than I can count from my guy friends. Like I mentioned earlier, guys joke around about 'mopeds' fairly often in my experience.
Wouldnt legalization of prostitution compromise womens control over men, why would feminists support that? You would see a whole new dating dynamic if prostituation became both legal AND affordable and that new dynamic would not favor women.
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