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I know a few guys that are completely comfortable around women but they don't call their personality 'game' or refer to themselves as 'PUA'...it's just the way they are. It's the people who subscribe to labeling it and selling it that are wrong, IMO. I mean, go to a therapist and figure out why you have social anxiety if it's that bad, don't pay some dude on the internet to 'teach' you PUA.
So every nerd in the world should see a therapist?
Everything you just described is pretty basic stuff that is taught by PUA coaches. I think the point is that game is something some guys have naturally or learn organically and thus the whole PUA thing is pointless to them because they "get it." Other guys don't. And PUA is for the latter, not the former. When you see a casually confident guy chatting to some lady out and about and she gives him his number, he might not have ever even thought for a second that he was employing PUA "tactics" or "game", because it's normal to him. For other guys, the same conversation is going to require more effort and might end completely differently, due to anxiety, poor conversational skills, un-expressive body language or any combination of factors, things that are not necessarily picked up in the formative years (this is especially true of people who had poor social experiences in high school).
Duck gets a point for making sense. Still, the PUA thing can go too far, teaching negging (a type of verbal abuse, really. Guess what kind of women fall for that?), touching before it may be appropriate, canned lines, etc. If it's about giving guys confidence, that's one thing. Some of it goes to extremes, though. I wonder what percentage of relationships that result from these approaches are reasonably successful, and how it compares to non-PUA-generated relationships?
Duck gets a point for making sense. Still, the PUA thing can go too far, teaching negging (a type of verbal abuse, really. Guess what kind of women fall for that?), touching before it may be appropriate, canned lines, etc. If it's about giving guys confidence, that's one thing. Some of it goes to extremes, though. I wonder what percentage of relationships that result from these approaches are reasonably successful, and how it compares to non-PUA-generated relationships?
Exactly. I know a lot of the proponents want to make it sound like they're just teaching basic social skills and confidence, but why are these guys seeking out these things solely to pick up on women? Shouldn't those skills be generalized and just basic? The fact that they're advertised as being specifically FOR picking up women is what makes me feel that there is an ulterior motive involved.
PUA certainly works. If it didnt work, thousands of guys wouldnt be spending huge amounts of money on it, decade after decade. You may not like the fact that it works, but that does not change the reality. We do not live in the world you wish it was, we live in the world that it actualy is. The most important things that PUA teaches guys is to get out there, be social and spend time with women, something that guys who have problems dating rarely do. Another thing it teaches them, is that being a nice guy or a white knioght is actualy repulsive and will never net you results you want. Those are all good things and many more, I believe that both men and women should appreciate.
How many men have bought penis enlargers with unrealistic promises? People spend huge amounts of money on things that don't work all the time.
What about the legendary Yogurt Guy? He didn't get punched in the nose.
That was a poorly executed inside joke in reply to the "it works on every woman but the one you ask" drivel.
If I were you, I wouldn't spend a second longer debating with someone who felt the need to delve so deep into the PUA culture that they can now defend it.
That was a poorly executed inside joke in reply to the "it works on every woman but the one you ask" drivel.
If I were you, I wouldn't spend a second longer debating with someone who felt the need to delve so deep into the PUA culture that they can now defend it.
Were you referring to me? Pretty sure I treat any woman I'm with better than the doormat losers or guys who are friend zoned asking for advice how to win the girl over.
Just because I'm familiar topics and able to hold a discussion on something more than my personal opinion doesn't mean I exhibit all of the negative qualities.
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