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Old 07-16-2013, 10:38 AM
 
Location: NYC
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This is really very simple. I have done this type of stuff many times except I'm usually very aware of what I am doing - wasting time with a person with tons of red flags because she is attractive.
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Old 07-16-2013, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Up in the air
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JetJockey.....if the guy actually heard you say that there would probably not be another date. You have to develop your confidence. Otherwise things are never going to change.

Just saying.

You women like confident men.....And we men like confident women.

Women with low self esteem end up becoming sex targets for the dogs, liars, and cheaters of the world.
Ya know, I find this very interesting. There are sooo many threads on here where guys complain that women want too much, that they shoot out of their league and that they should re-evaluate their standards. Then, a person like me comes along who knows exactly where she stands in the dating world and KNOWS she's not good enough for certain men and I'm told to be more confident?

I've been told I 'own' rooms when I walk in, I have absolutely no issues with self confidence in my every day life, but with dating I've never been successful and men generally aren't interested in me. I know exactly where I stand and no amount of 'confidence' is going to help me. In fact, I've been told I have an 'overinflated sense of self importance' on a work performance review. Believe me, confidence is a non-issue.

I'm a realist. I understand my 'number' in the dating game and I'm not looking for sympathy, I'm just well aware of where I stand.
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:09 PM
 
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Eh, the same reason people respond to trolls on the internet even though we know we shouldn't.

And I don't believe that last part, unless it was reversed. Most women are considered as booty calls but only a select few would be considered long term.
Jet,

Not all guys think the same. I never, ever considered a date a booty call, I never considered many of the women I dated long term either. A date, or several dates, whatever the case may be, was for one reason, and that was to get to know them. I refused to be involved in one night stands and if that was what my date wanted, it was the first and last date.
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Up in the air
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Jet,

Not all guys think the same. I never, ever considered a date a booty call, I never considered many of the women I dated long term either. A date, or several dates, whatever the case may be, was for one reason, and that was to get to know them. I refused to be involved in one night stands and if that was what my date wanted, it was the first and last date.
Of course not all guys think the same...but I've found the vast majority of men around my age (late 20s) DO think this way. There are a few outliers here and there, but for the most part guys aren't looking to settle down or be with only one woman if they don't have to. If they have options, they will exercise those options as long as they possibly can.
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Old 07-16-2013, 03:40 PM
 
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Ya know, I find this very interesting. There are sooo many threads on here where guys complain that women want too much, that they shoot out of their league and that they should re-evaluate their standards. Then, a person like me comes along who knows exactly where she stands in the dating world and KNOWS she's not good enough for certain men and I'm told to be more confident?

I've been told I 'own' rooms when I walk in, I have absolutely no issues with self confidence in my every day life, but with dating I've never been successful and men generally aren't interested in me. I know exactly where I stand and no amount of 'confidence' is going to help me. In fact, I've been told I have an 'overinflated sense of self importance' on a work performance review. Believe me, confidence is a non-issue.

I'm a realist. I understand my 'number' in the dating game and I'm not looking for sympathy, I'm just well aware of where I stand.
They "shoot out of their league" because you(not you in general most women) tell men all the time looks don't matter for women and that all they need is personally and to make her feel a certain way. When men take that advice don't be surprised if they overestimate how far they can go
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Old 07-16-2013, 03:59 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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In fact, I've been told I have an 'overinflated sense of self importance' on a work performance review.
ugh. Do you think this is really true, or do you think this is a way of putting you in your place because you're a woman? A way of saying, "get out of the way of the guys"? Was this at your new job, or the old one?

Pardon inquiring minds for wanting to know...
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Old 07-16-2013, 04:36 PM
 
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They "shoot out of their league" because you(not you in general most women) tell men all the time looks don't matter for women and that all they need is personally and to make her feel a certain way. When men take that advice don't be surprised if they overestimate how far they can go
I think it's fine that people shoot out of their league...they just shouldn't expect to have that person want to settle for them and be disappointed about it. That's exactly how I feel about the guy I've been hanging out with so I'm not expecting anything long term or committed.

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ugh. Do you think this is really true, or do you think this is a way of putting you in your place because you're a woman? A way of saying, "get out of the way of the guys"? Was this at your new job, or the old one?

Pardon inquiring minds for wanting to know...
Well, I'm sure part of it was the whole 'hysterical woman' trope because if I even raised my voice a little bit or argued a point I would be accused of being 'on the rag' or PMSing which was suuuuper irritating.

For the most part, though, I'm pretty confident in my abilities and that seemed to make the guys angrier at me for some reason.
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Old 07-16-2013, 05:29 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Well, I'm sure part of it was the whole 'hysterical woman' trope because if I even raised my voice a little bit or argued a point I would be accused of being 'on the rag' or PMSing which was suuuuper irritating.
Unacceptably rude, but also it's a deliberate intimidation tactic to get you to shut up. This sounds like your old job. I wonder why they hired you in the first place.
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Old 07-16-2013, 06:19 PM
 
Location: #
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Unacceptably rude, but also it's a deliberate intimidation tactic to get you to shut up. This sounds like your old job. I wonder why they hired you in the first place.
Not only does she have a vagina, she must be quite pretty?
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Old 07-16-2013, 06:47 PM
 
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Not only does she have a vagina, she must be quite pretty?
She is, but she lives in an area where men are dirt bags and have used her so now she is a mild man hater. She needs to get out of her area.

I think she would like working for lycombing which I think is in the less populated area of PA of about 30k people, she would have to research what the men were like there. What she fails to believe is that while most men want sex early not all men will leave as soon as they get it.
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