Is a virgin woman every man's dream? (younger, partner, different)
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Not me, I think it's a terrible idea! Imagine, two virgins, with nothing but porn to show them (all wrong) how it's done.
It's recipe for a miserable, failed sex life and a divorce.
That's not necessarily true. What about all those people who married as virgins in the past, some of whom were married for years? Some had to presumably have had good sex lives.
I don't know the details of MY parents sex lives, but they had seven kids and they were married for fifty years until my father's death.
I don't think they had any porn to "show them how it's done", either. Most people seemed to have been able to figure it out for eons before porn existed.
That's not necessarily true. What about all those people who married as virgins in the past, some of whom were married for years? Some had to presumably have had good sex lives.
I don't know the details of MY parents sex lives, but they had seven kids and they were married for fifty years until my father's death.
I don't think they had any porn to "show them how it's done", either. Most people seemed to have been able to figure it out for eons before porn existed.
Sure, it can work sometimes. But in the past, divorce was not an option.
My point about porn is that, IME, virgin men who have seen porn are far worse off than virgin men who have not. They have so many myths to unlearn -- and mostly they refuse -- they think the porn must be correct and there must be something wrong with their gf. It's tragic.
*whistle* Flag on the play, gross generalization. A decent man wouldn't be so hung up on how experienced a woman is. 15 yard penalty and a lost of down.
Read the thread and this post even though I can't rep it sums up what I wanted to say.
OP any decent guy will probably not be hung on your number whether it be high or low everything else being said is jumbled up personal views.
Sure, it can work sometimes. But in the past, divorce was not an option.
My point about porn is that, IME, virgin men who have seen porn are far worse off than virgin men who have not. They have so many myths to unlearn -- and mostly they refuse -- they think the porn must be correct and there must be something wrong with their gf. It's tragic.
I'm sorry but this is just ignorant. Every single thing you've posted in this thread has been nothing but assumption, assumption, assumption. Have you even been with a virgin or even been friends with one.
That's not necessarily true. What about all those people who married as virgins in the past, some of whom were married for years? Some had to presumably have had good sex lives.
I don't know the details of MY parents sex lives, but they had seven kids and they were married for fifty years until my father's death.
I don't think they had any porn to "show them how it's done", either. Most people seemed to have been able to figure it out for eons before porn existed.
There's a very present "dumbification" of people. Had someone not told them of something, they'd never know how it's done, regardless even if it's a breastfeeding. There's also an inflation with various needs: If someone didn't introduce them with a new gillette with X numebr of blades, they would never know that they had to have that many razor blades on their to shave their beard. And so on.
Sex is not a rocket science, but some folks might make studies of sexology one day and tell you that you need university diploma before you figure out what goes where. And with enough support by the media, you'll have millions of people studying sexology to graduate and know what to do. They'll give you anecdotal evidence of incompetent West Virginians or insert-your-own-example in here which confirms that all other people are retarded because they don't reason the same way like you and because they never attended their sexology studies.
And then they'd spew lies like this:
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"Sure, it can work sometimes. But in the past, divorce was not an option."
There was no "no-fault" divorce like it is today. In fact, some countries did have no-fault but it required mutual consent. U.S. divorce rates in 1920-1950 were... 15%?
Then they'll say something like this:
Quote:
"My point about porn is that, IME, virgin men who have seen porn are far worse off than virgin men who have not. They have so many myths to unlearn -- and mostly they refuse -- they think the porn must be correct and there must be something wrong with their gf. It's tragic."
Because she's an expert and she definitely had a group of virgin men who haven't seen porn in an age when porn is advertised on every corner, even on "non-porn" sites. There's arguably no guy in America over a certain age who hasn't seen porn and this doesn't require the internet at all. That age is incredibly small because of already said norms. True problem is the effect of so-called imprinting. There is a reason why too young children might not register sexual jokes or even sexual poses, which their older siblings would. The older children are "programmed" to be stimulated and seek for sex. This effect became obvious with the advent of the electronic media, video games and porn for one sole reason - many young kids as young as 9 y/o and in pre-puberty/early puberty stage are getting exposed to scantily clad fantasy women or outright pornstars in porn movies/magazines and they get that image imprinted. There is a reason why Lara Croft is still a sex symbol for first generation of game players who were adolescents at that era - because she was the first scantily clad fantasy woman they saw and it got imprinted in their minds. Today's 12 y/ boys won't see her any special unlike today's 32 y/o folks or something, because those 32 y/o guys got it imprinted back then. Today's kids get different female fantasy women imprinted in their minds, generally related to the actual games of their young adolescence era.
In my religion virginity is cherished and I myself would love a virgin. But, I am stuck in 21st century Pacific Northwest America, where most women end their virginity after they hit 12 or 13.. This is a sex crazed culture, where people think having lots of sex means you will be a more respectful, caring and honorable mate, hence the 60% divorce rate we are faced with.
You completely invented two numbers.
(1) "most" women losing their virginity at age 12(!) or 13. Total garbage. The Kinsey Institute states an average of 17 years old for girls.
(2) 60% divorce rate. The actual pure divorce rate - percentages of all marriages that are dissolved - has never exceeded about 40%, and is actually decreasing. Many demographics have much lower rates than that.
(1) "most" women losing their virginity at age 12(!) or 13. Total garbage. The Kinsey Institute states an average of 17 years old for girls.
(2) 60% divorce rate. The actual pure divorce rate - percentages of all marriages that are dissolved - has never exceeded about 40%, and is actually decreasing. Many demographics have much lower rates than that.
The culture may focus more on sex than you prefer, but don't just make **** up.
That link shows median age, showing that about half of population aren't virgins at 17 y/o mark, simply said.
Your second claim is not correct as they project it somewhat under 50% (i.e. 42%) for first marriages. Over half of marriages ended in divorce with main offenders like California being excluded, but that's because second, third and any other marriages are having even higher divorce rates. But the whole deal is rather stupid nowadays when majority of new couples are COHABITING and emulating marriage that's not written anywhere. Many people will never marry and will keep cohabiting with different persons, ony the "most stable" cohabitations will end up with marriages, which makes the statistic even more grim. Divorce rates are declining because less and less people are actually marrying. This trend is especially evident in states without so-called "common-law marriage". Another thing - 68% of adult immigrant population are married folks. The data for native-born americans (including second-generation of those immigrants) is about 44%, I think. It's been discussed on other topics, hard to seek for those links.
This gets into off-topic and would require a separate thread.
Things the hyper-sexualized media will never tell you: throat cancer caused by HPV causes more deaths for men under 50 than all other cancers caused by smoking when combined. And while they keep denying it, the fact that HPV-caused throat cancers increased over 10-fold within last 50 years will tell a different story.
Fact is that you have massive promotion of how smoking is bad for your health. Since sex is what you should be thinking and doing 24/7, telling someone that "safe sex" (because oral sex is somehow deemed "safe") causes more death rates than smoking is NOT going to happen on TV.
This has been known for about three decades, but media keeps mum about it. In fact, many respectful medical staff got fired because they insisted to include such information in STD awareness initiatives. Progress on this awareness is very low but the ice cap appears to be broken in the recent years.
Good post. When I hear about stuff like this I always think "you know, the more Christian/conservative Christian values are turning out to have been right".
Anyway, do you have any sort of source for medical staff being fired for trying to get the word out?
It does seem like some stuff is sort of unofficially censored, but I don't understand why.
That link shows median age, showing that about half of population aren't virgins at 17 y/o mark, simply said.
Umm...news flash...If only half of the population is having sex before 17, it's mathematically impossible for "most" to be doing so at age 12 or 13. She is correct. Her information on divorces is, as well.
Umm...news flash...If only half of the population is having sex before 17, it's mathematically impossible for "most" to be doing so at age 12 or 13. She is correct. Her information on divorces is, as well.
I agreed on age of having first sexual relationship. Not on the marriage/divorce part.
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Every single thing you've posted in this thread has been nothing but assumption, assumption, assumption. Have you even been with a virgin or even been friends with one.
