Are ugly men seens as creeps towards women? (boyfriend, different, reason)

[RedZin]

Originally Posted by Raena77

No it doesn't. It involves trust inwhich a female feels comfortable with you.

Yeah... I think of that as friendly.

I do agree that becoming BFFs with a chick will get you friendzoned, though.

Maybe not 100% of the time, but most of the time, it will.

[Raena77]

Originally Posted by Ray_Finkle

I retract my previous statement. Now you're peddling the same crap.

"Friends first" (tm) is not an effective relationship strategy.

Right because all the males I knew first then asked them out then considered dating next became a bf. Right.

[RedZin]

Originally Posted by Mtbornnard

I've never leered at a woman. Sure I have glanced, but leering is just wrong and will probably scare her.

I think we have established that it's not your visual contact that might make a woman think you are creepy.

Now, remind me... have you been CALLED creepy? If so, did you actually say anything to the person that called you creepy?

[Raena77]

Originally Posted by Mtbornnard

I was raised in a homeless shelter by men. I never met my female relatives.

[RedZin]

Originally Posted by Ray_Finkle

Maybe not, but I know what is counterproductive, and the last several pages are exactly that.

Thankfully, it sounds like mtnborn knows better than the "just be friends first" approach.

I never said he should be friends with women he wants to date.

I said he needs some chick friends.

Totally not the same thing. You never take a chick you want to date and turn her into your bestest pal. You do that with women you don't want to date.

[RedZin]

Originally Posted by TJenkins602

Not me.

I'm more single than the point at the end of a black hole and I still only glance.

Then again, I get stared at a lot.


Usually, a woman like that comes to be around me. Then I take her from those slackjawed eyeballs.

Hey... when you've got it, might as well work it, man.

[Astute]

Notice OP how all ugly men will not hesitate to tell you the truth while the transgressors will deny they do such things? This is not unlike to how racism, sexism, and homophobia were once initially denied by their respective oppressors to even exist in the first place.

Speaking from my personal experiences, I've never had a single positive interaction with any woman throughout my entire life. I have never overstepped my boundaries and in fact have always tried to keep the conversations short, and yet have always been labelled a creep. There's obviously one only possible explanation, and that is to most women a creepy man is simply an undesirable man who's attention is not wanted.

[Cantabridgienne]

Originally Posted by Mtbornnard

I was raised in a homeless shelter by men. I never met my female relatives.

You've never met your mother?

[RedZin]

Originally Posted by hawaiian by heart

lol, you made my point. The behavior is only acceptable if its perceived as wantted by someone being stared at. When really it should be a no no for anyone.

Well, yes and no.

I am saying you should not stare, as it is rude no matter what.

But... if you get caught and the person likes you looking at them, no reason not to go say hello.

[RedZin]

Originally Posted by Mtbornnard

I take it you're a woman. Of course, you won't have a problem with that.

Some women have a hard time with it.

I know some who have hit their mid thirties and never had many relationships, who aren't married yet, who want kids but know that they might not meet a good guy, get married, and have kids...

This isn't a strictly male problem.