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Our culture encourages disrespect of people as human beings. Our culture teaches us to focus on superficial things to determine the value of someone or his/her worthiness. We disrespect our sisters and brothers when we do this. Sometimes our standards can be so high based on our value systems, which culture or society tells us what is appropriate or what to strive for.
I don't encourage violence period, but its understandable that some of our young people have no value in themselves because no one else values them. What comes first, self love or the love from others to teach us love of self. Superficual value systems never really determines what someone is inside. Some of those kids we call losers or undesirable are really sometimes bigger winners then those who have everything but never had to overcome any obstacles.
Just my opinion. So sometimes i can understand how a child could shoot up classmates or take actions like we are talking about because in reality people do
It has nothing to do with pity dates, what it has to do is being openminded and having a willingness to try something different. How many dates have we been on where we were attracted to someone but after a few dates decided to not persue it because of personality etc. Could the opposite be true? Maybe go out with a girl or guy not so attractive and findout there personality is very attractive?
Some of my longest relationships were with ladies i fell in love with who weren't attractive by society standards.
Continued from my last post: Theres a saying and its applies to our present society, continue to think the way you think and we will continue to get the same results as always.
Unless of course some people in society fight against change because often there the ones who benefit the most from the current why thing are done. Not saying your that way.
So where do i say i encourage murder or blame the victem? Maybe my posts were more about how to treat others better in general.
It has nothing to do with pity dates, what it has to do is being openminded and having a willingness to try something different. How many dates have we been on where we were attracted to someone but after a few dates decided to not persue it because of personality etc. Could the opposite be true? Maybe go out with a girl or guy not so attractive and findout there personality is very attractive?
Some of my longest relationships were with ladies i fell in love with who weren't attractive by society standards.
Continued from my last post: Theres a saying and its applies to our present society, continue to think the way you think and we will continue to get the same results as always.
Unless of course some people in society fight against change because often there the ones who benefit the most from the current why thing are done. Not saying your that way.
So where do i say i encourage murder or blame the victem? Maybe my posts were more about how to treat others better in general.
Do you have any proof that she treated him poorly? People owe each other common human decency. But she rejected the guy, that doesn't mean she treated him like sh**. She didn't want to go out with him. She's not obligated too. I don't know what you're assuming about this girl here. That she was mean-spirted about rejecting him? Again where's your proof of this? Even then that's no reason to kill her, himself or anyone else.
Do you have any proof that she treated him poorly? People owe each other common human decency. But she rejected the guy, that doesn't mean she treated him like sh**. She didn't want to go out with him. She's not obligated too. I don't know what you're assuming about this girl here. That she was mean-spirted about rejecting him? Again where's your proof of this? Even then that's no reason to kill her, himself or anyone else.
No what i was saying was there is a number of things that could of happened before the incident. We weren't there. Every tragedy regarding schools, the victem was always loved, etc etc. Even if they were outcasts. Now there is no excuse for violence, but my point is ive seen real abuse in schools by students on students.
I had a friend in highschool who was ackward toward girls because his self esteem was down, losing your family and bouncing around from tons of foster homes does that. But he had a crush
On this cheerleader, he asked her out. She laughed at him, then told her boyfriend. Because he was an outsider and new, unpopular her boyfriend and a car full of his jock friends followed him home after schoo one dayl and they all ganged up on him and beat him badly. My friend was out of school for a few days.
My point was this kid was a winner, he went thru hell and back and dealt with some abusive foster parents in the past, he was getting good grades. So i ask you if you never get to know people, you never get the full story of who they are. People can also be cruel.
On this cheerleader, he asked her out. She laughed at him, then told her boyfriend. Because he was an outsider and unpopular her boyfriend and a car full of his jock friends followed him home after school and they all ganged up on him and beat him badly. My friend was out of school for a few days.
My point was this kid was a winner, he went thru hell and back and dealt with some abusive foster parents in the past. So i ask you if you never get to know people, you never get the full story.
That's a nice story, and believe me I agree that people don't deserve to be treated like crap for superficial reasons.
But what does that have to do with the story discussed in the OP? We don't know the nature of this relationship other than she turned him down? We don't know how she turned him down. And at the end of the day it doesn't matter.
I really hope there was more to this than just a prom rejection. If not, then I am very concerned with what the nice guy/PUA culture is going to turn a lot of males into.
I think the young man perhaps suffered from mood disorder and severe mental illness. I read it somewhere that he was on heavy meds.
Perhaps has nothing to do with being a "nice" guy.
That's a nice story, and believe me I agree that people don't deserve to be treated like crap for superficial reasons.
But what does that have to do with the story discussed in the OP? We don't know the nature of this relationship other than she turned him down? We don't know how she turned him down. And at the end of the day it doesn't matter.
I believe the point is to be a free thinker, be open to any possiblity, till we get hard truth. Like i said before it could be he was mentally ill or etc. It doesn't change that its a tragedy what happen to the girl. What if we found out later he was schizophrenic? Would that change how you feel about this one thread or tragedy?
How we treat each other is part of the topic of this thread so it has relevance.
If it was mental illness? Wouldnt that make it an argument for more funding for mental hospitals and treatment?
I vaguely recall in one of my posts saying that this increasing sense of isolation that non-desirable guys are beginning to experience would lead to outbursts of violence against girls such as this. The Internet most likely plays a part: non-desirable guys turning more and more to Internet porn to relieve themselves; starting to hate themselves for having to resort to such behavior they feel is immoral, indecent, embarrassing, even perverted; the guilt messing with their heads to such a degree that they start to fantasize about punishing girls in general and especially those in particular who reject them, thus, in their minds forcing them into such embarrassing behaviors; the fantasies playing out in their minds to such a degree that it's just a step away from them acting out these fantasies; voila, we see more and more of these violent, mass murders perpetrated in schools by guys pushed over the edge. Notice they are all being done by guys.
Is this surprising?
No, not when you analyze that guys act, girls react and then the rejected guys act out.
If a guy is getting rejected by girls and watches the same girls going out with different guys how is he supposed to feel, how would he feel towards women? We can say it isn't right and he's a loser but there is alot of angry men out there and im waiting to hear of a solution because I don't think there is one.
If a guy is getting rejected by girls and watches the same girls going out with different guys how is he supposed to feel, how would he feel towards women? We can say it isn't right and he's a loser but there is alot of angry men out there and im waiting to hear of a solution because I don't think there is one.
I believe i gave this. It has nothing to do with pity dates, what it has to do is being openminded and having a willingness to try something different. How many dates have we been on where we were attracted to someone but after a few dates decided to not persue it because of personality etc. Could the opposite be true? Maybe go out with a girl or guy not so attractive and findout there personality is very attractive to you?
Some of my longest relationships were with ladies i fell in love with who weren't attractive by society standards. Give people a chance to show who they are.
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