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Maybe we should. The social stigma on out of wedlock births was far from ideal but clearly the lesser evil compared to what we have today, whereby you have a large and growing underclass having kids out of wedlock, many of whom have little hope of ever getting off government subsidies & support into the middle class (which was all done by design, IMO).
Exactly, You hit a point made that not many want to state and that is the welfare system. The reality is most of these kids are being raised on welfare.
You're right - calling children bastards is much better than loving thy neighbor.
I wouldn't have children with out getting married but to each their own.
Ideally, no one would do that. But at the same time, sometimes love is harsh. It's not always a warm and squishy thing like some people think. The harshness of stigmatizing (the parents) serves a greater purpose...It prevents the so-called adults AND any potential kids from economic and emotional poverty.
It's not calling the kids that but looking at the parents with disgust that they did it intentionally to their kids. I wouldn't call the kids that. I would tell the parents though they were wrong for doing it. If that sounds harsh, Taco Man is even worse and more judgmental about this and told this woman she was evil for doing that. I'm not as harsh but I do feel it is wrong.
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No we go around trying to help them. I offer to bring them to church and he offers to help them with what they need. We are being compassionate but some are lost and why hurt the kids more? Kids deserve a stable family like what both of us dealt with. Both of us were raised with married parents and were not raised on welfare. Kids deserve that.
So - which is it? Do you look at people with disgust, tell them they are wrong, tell them they are evil - or do you help them with what they need? Oh - and church isn't for everyone. If you want to help someone - help them.
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Ideally, no one would do that. But at the same time, sometimes love is harsh. It's not always a warm and squishy thing like some people think. The harshness of stigmatizing (the parents) serves a greater purpose...It prevents the so-called adults AND any potential kids from economic and emotional poverty.
I disagree completely. I think that having parents that are married is what is best for children and that if you can't make a legal commitment to someone - you shouldn't raise children with them. However, stigmatizing people and "harshness" serves no purpose expect for people to try to make themselves feel superior to others.
Maybe we should. The social stigma on out of wedlock births was far from ideal but clearly the lesser evil compared to what we have today, whereby you have a large and growing underclass having kids out of wedlock, many of whom have little hope of ever getting off government subsidies & support into the middle class (which was all done by design, IMO).
You too are invited to call my nephew a bastard within my earshot. I suspect, however, that you wouldn't have the stones either. Don't worry, though, I'm positive your pearl-clutching doesn't go unnoticed.
So - which is it? Do you look at people with disgust, tell them they are wrong, tell them they are evil - or do you help them with what they need? Oh - and church isn't for everyone. If you want to help someone - help them.
It depends. Some people I look at with disgust and others I try to help. When people refuse help then I tell them they are wrong. However they should be helping themselves.
It depends. Some people I look at with disgust and others I try to help. When people refuse help then I tell them they are wrong. However they should be helping themselves.
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No I do it and am quite open about it. Taco Man is far worse and he will tell people he won't talk to them as long as they sin.
You guys sound awesome! Making the world a better place one disgusted look at a time!
Vis a vis the social stigma of unmarried parents. Many of you may think that it is passe and "no big deal" but I can assure you that people of the upper class very much still look down on children born out of wedlock. They still consider such a situation unacceptable and vile. If your friends think that it's normal and perfectly ok, then you need to take a good look at the class of people you call friends.
I am not trying to be insulting, I am simply trying to point out that certain behavior that might be acceptable to one class of people is not necessarily acceptable to others. And if you want to elevate yourself in life, you want to make sure you don't do the things that make you look like a lower class person. That's all I am trying to say.
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