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Then take that up with the user. It has nothing to do with me. I noted your statements - judged them to be wrong - and decided to explain why. Deal with it.
And You would see I wasn't serious, or taking him seriously. He mad ea false statement about me, and assumes he knows everything. So, the same statements could be made about him, and his behavior and lifestyle
So, you're explaining something to me I didn't need to here. Deal with it. If you didn't wanna hear me bring up the user, then don't jump into a conversation I was having with them, that had nothing to do with you.
And You would see I wasn't serious. So, you explaining something to me I didn't need to here. Deal with it.
No - you deal wth the fact that you made two statements that were simply wrong and I explained why they were wrong. Simple as that. Get over it.
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If you didn't wanna hear me bring up the user, then don't jump into a conversation I was having with them, that had nothing to do with you.
It has as much to do with me as anyone else as this is a public forum. Anyone is entitled to read and reply. If you disagree then take it up with the moderators. If you want a private conversation with someone - request a private conversation with them through the forum messaging system for example.
No - you deal wth the fact that you made two statements that were simply wrong and I explained why they were wrong. Simple as that. Get over it.
And I knew what I was saying was invalid. it's a stereotype that some buy into. but that poster responded to me throwing out false posts, and I fired back, didn't take him seriously, and threw stereotypes, and accusations at him.
So, you were thinking I was stating it as pure fact, when in truth it was purely in conversation with that user. So, you picked something apart, and wasted time, because the conversation wasn't about that.
So, ya don't get it, and still don't. I don't see where you're not understanding that it wasn't a general statement for everyone on a forum, or everyone that is on while at work. It was only aimed at him--if it didn't apply to you, then I didn't mean you. I meant him specifically, as my posts were directed at him, and that should be obvious.
And I knew what I was saying was invalid. it's a stereotype that some buy into. but that poster responded to me throwing out false posts, and I fired back, didn't take him seriously, and threw stereotypes, and accusations at him.
I would not reduce myself to anothers level in this fashion. If you choose to then so be it.
Your statements were false - I explained why - and here you agree that the statements were false. Conversation over as I see it. We are entirely agreed.
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So, ya don't get it, and still don't.
Again: I do thanks. If you want to keep repeating that I do not - have at it - but repeition does not add truth to a claim.
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I didn't mean you. I meant him specifically, as my posts were directed at him, and that should be obvious.
Then pick your wording better in future might be a good tactic. You did not say "if YOU had a better social life...." you said "People with grand social lives wouldn't be......" and you directly suggested that posting at work reflects negatively on work ethic.
The two statements are false. You agree the statements were false. As I said - conversation over.
Now we can return to the subject of the thread - in which no one has managed to successfully give a single argument as to why women going to male escorts is not "Okay".
I would not reduce myself to anothers level in this fashion. If you choose to then so be it.
Well you already spent a good chunk of morning going back and forth with me. So, you're no better. To quote you, it's a forum to talk, even if it's arguing, it's still a discussion--just not the most civil, but discussion nonetheless.
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Then pick your wording better in future might be a good tactic. You did not say "if YOU had a better social life...." you said "People with grand social lives wouldn't be......" and you directly suggested that posting at work reflects negatively on work ethic.
The two statements are false. You agree the statements were false. As I said - conversation over.
If you're finally done talking, then yeah. Gladly, conversation over. Since you came in not understanding with an attitude. This whole thing was a waste of time. So, in the future, you could work on being more civil yourself.
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Now we can return to the subject of the thread - in which no one has managed to successfully give a single argument as to why women going to male escorts is not "Okay
Yeah, nobody has. But I have given reasons why it is ok. So, I have no say in the other stuff. Mainly the opposers says it makes no sense because women can easily get men while men can't easily get women. Which is not even close to being true. And Idk where men get the idea that women can just have their pic of men whenever they want.
Well you already spent a good chunk of morning going back and forth with me. So, you're no better.
I make statements I think to be true. I do not reduce myself to knowingly making statements that are false in order to "one up" someone else on the forum. So yes - I do think this "better".
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If you're finally done talking, then yeah. Gladly, conversation over.
As I said the statements I replied to were false and you have acknowledged they are false. If you have more to say - go for it. But from my side I think we are done there?
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Since you came in not understanding
Again - repeating that I did not understand it - when I did - will not magically change reality.
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This whole thing was a waste of time.
ENTIRELY your choice. No one is forcing you to reply to my posts - yet we both know you are about to do it again forthwith on the very same subject and engage in more of what you see as time wasting - but unable to do otherwise.
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So, in the future, you could work on being more civil yourself.
Nothing in my posts here has been uncivil whatsoever. I merely noted two statements that I perceived to be in error - and explained why they were in error. If pointing out errors is "uncivil" in your imagination then this says more about your failure in definitions than my posts I am afraid.
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Yeah, nobody has. But I have given reasons why it is ok.
As have I - but alas we both do so for no reason as it is superfluous to requirements. To my mind things like this are "innocent until proven guilty" and it is not for you and I to show when it is ok - but for the detractors to show why it is not.
Not that it is a _bad_ thing that we have done so - but it is a failure in human discourse that anyone might expect that we should.
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Mainly the opposers says it makes no sense because women can easily get men while men can't easily get women. Which is not even close to being true.
Agreed. And even when and where it is true - just having that ability in no way means it fits with what the woman WANTS at the time. Sure she could probably easily ring up a mate and say "I need a seeing to - be here at 8" and he will trot over with a face like a happy apple with his belt around his ankles before the echo of the door bell has even died down the corridors.
But such women might want more than just easy access to male genitals. They might want privacy. Secrecy. A professional attitude. Discretion. Someone skilled at breaking the ice and heavy mood before during and after a sexual event. And much more.
Perhaps some men see availability of the correct genitals as being enough to call the decision to use escorts into question - but this just belies their own narrow view rather than some failure in the womans decision to go to an escort.
@monumentus;
Let me say, don't get your panties in a bunch. The poster I was responding to was being a judgmental ass, so I didn't, and don't, take anything he says seriously.
And if you were paying attention, the user through alot of crap bile at him as well, so I did the same
So, if you were offended, sorry. But anyone who read knew I wasn't taking him too seriously. So, to bring up an old saying "Stay out of the kool-aid if you don't know the flavor."
Yeah I was being a little bit of a A-hole that day, my apologies.
Yeah I was being a little bit of a A-hole that day, my apologies.
Thank you very much. I accept. If you were having an off day, then sorry for whatever went on that day, and hope you feel better today. And take no offense to the stuff I am saying to another poster. I am just explaining to him why I responded to you the way I did. Some of the stuff I do not believe as pure fact in general toward everyone, it was just strictly in convo with you that day that they took out of context.
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I make statements I think to be true. I do not reduce myself to knowingly making statements that are false in order to "one up" someone else on the forum. So yes - I do think this "better".
The reasons matter not when the result is the same. Argument. And the "false" statement isn't proven false for him, though it has been FOR You, given your experience, but he is not you, and whom I was addressing. My premise with him is, that it's easy to come online and brag and say something while judging. He came judging me, then starts bragging on himself, so my point was it goes both ways. You can't judge someone on what they are, or are doing, then state you're better and that they are miserable. He talks about having the great job, and a girlfriend, but he could be lying, or I can take what he's saying and make a bad judgement just as he has.
So, I am not "one up-ing" just showing the the same attitude, and maybe it shows him how silly he came across when started making his narrow-minded statements. Like him thinking less of people for staying with their parents, and acting as though it's pathetic, and saying that because I am a woman, I am going to settle for just any guy because I am still single. I can say him on a forum during work hours means he's not working, or him being here alot means he has nothing better to do himself. . See how that goes. So, more than my views, I was mainly showing him how silly and annoying it can be when someone comes in sounding hateful and/or judgmental.
It gets annoying, and comes off bad. People have given me reps on some of my posts to him. Not because I made a groundbreaking posts, but because I was showing him how it looks when someone makes an ignorant judgement. And you didn't get that. You think I was being 100% serious on some claims, and that I was just trying to outdo him. No. I was trying to get a point across with him. not trying to be immature, just trying to show his behavior by giving him that same attitude.
And above, he did reply, and apologize. If he meant it, then I gladly accept. It was nothing personal about wanting to "outdo" him.
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ENTIRELY your choice. No one is forcing you to reply to my posts - yet we both know you are about to do it again forthwith on the very same subject and engage in more of what you see as time wasting - but unable to do otherwise.
Well you are still replying as well. And still not seeing my point. You don't have to agree. but you aren't understanding where I am coming from. That's all my goal is, was trying to explain to you where I am coming from, but you aren't at least doing that.
Let me ask. Do you now understand I was not talking about you and your situation? If so, then my whole point was, you So, after explain, even if you disagree, you should be able to at least see where I was coming from.
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Nothing in my posts here has been uncivil whatsoever. I merely noted two statements that I perceived to be in error - and explained why they were in error. If pointing out errors is "uncivil" in your imagination then this says more about your failure in definitions than my posts I am afraid.
The uncivil part was you stating about "my fantasy world" that is uncivil. If you disagree, write the disagreement, and don't accuse the user of living in a fantasy, and acting as thought I was being all knowing with your "why, because you say so?" comment. So, your entire tone came off as being arrogant, and having an attitude when you took what I was saying out of context of the conversation. Explained above what I was doing. So you are focusing on the words I said, and not why I said them. Sometimes you have to look a bit deeper. Sometimes what someone says isn't the issue, so much as why they say it. Do they mean it, or was it for another reason.
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Agreed. And even when and where it is true - just having that ability in no way means it fits with what the woman WANTS at the time. Sure she could probably easily ring up a mate and say "I need a seeing to - be here at 8" and he will trot over with a face like a happy apple with his belt around his ankles before the echo of the door bell has even died down the corridors.
But such women might want more than just easy access to male genitals. They might want privacy. Secrecy. A professional attitude. Discretion. Someone skilled at breaking the ice and heavy mood before during and after a sexual event. And much more.
Perhaps some men see availability of the correct genitals as being enough to call the decision to use escorts into question - but this just belies their own narrow view rather than some failure in the womans decision to go to an escort.
I would agree. Any guy off the street, but she may not just be looking to plug an opening. She wants extra stuff that an Escort would give sooner than a man on the street will. Some have explained that perfectly, but people still are not getting it. Some women have different, more specific sexually, or even emotionally that an escort could do, once again, that a joe off the street won't, or won't want to.
The reasons matter not when the result is the same.
Ends do not justify all means. As I said if you let someone bug you enough that you made wantonly and knowingly false statements in order to get some kind of "one up" then save your disparagement for yourself - not for me.
Peronally I can not imagine letting anyone on a forum annoy or bug me - let alone to the point I willingly represent myself that poorly.
I saw two statements that were false - I explained why I saw them as false - and you agree the statements are false. I am not sure why you keep wasting your time on it.
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And you didn't get that.
Your MO appears to be to repeat over and over that I do not understand or "get" things that I actually do. Perhaps you think not agreeing with you is the same thing as not understanding you. I can assure you nothing can be further from the truth.
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Well you are still replying as well.
I am - and will continue to do so. I am not the one complaining it is a waste of time. I am happy to keep replying. No one is forcing you to do so - except you yourself.
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The uncivil part was you stating about "my fantasy world" that is uncivil.
If you engage in fantasy at any point then I see nothing uncivil with pointing this out in much the same way as if you hold a spade in your hand - I am liable to refer to it as a spade.
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but people still are not getting it.
As with some of your own points above - I suspect assuming they do not get it might be dangerous. I think many of them do "get it" - they just do not want to conceed the points they can not argue against.
Often I think the idea of a woman controlling her own sexual choices and motivations - and how she attains them - is just a little too much self sufficiency for many men. Especially men who are looking for sex wherever they can get it - and fail to be able to.
For such men the very idea a woman might engage in some level of _choice_ rather than jump on the willing memeber of any male who is apt to make it available to her - probably does more to highlight their own failings in this area than they are comfortable with.
They likely "get it" therefore - but it rubs them up really badly the wrong way.
Thank you very much. I accept. If you were having an off day, then sorry for whatever went on that day, and hope you feel better today. And take no offense to the stuff I am saying to another poster. I am just explaining to him why I responded to you the way I did. Some of the stuff I do not believe as pure fact in general toward everyone, it was just strictly in convo with you that day that they took out of context.
The reasons matter not when the result is the same. Argument. And the "false" statement isn't proven false for him, though it has been FOR You, given your experience, but he is not you, and whom I was addressing. My premise with him is, that it's easy to come online and brag and say something while judging. He came judging me, then starts bragging on himself, so my point was it goes both ways. You can't judge someone on what they are, or are doing, then state you're better and that they are miserable. He talks about having the great job, and a girlfriend, but he could be lying, or I can take what he's saying and make a bad judgement just as he has.
So, I am not "one up-ing" just showing the the same attitude, and maybe it shows him how silly he came across when started making his narrow-minded statements. Like him thinking less of people for staying with their parents, and acting as though it's pathetic, and saying that because I am a woman, I am going to settle for just any guy because I am still single. I can say him on a forum during work hours means he's not working, or him being here alot means he has nothing better to do himself. . See how that goes. So, more than my views, I was mainly showing him how silly and annoying it can be when someone comes in sounding hateful and close-minded.
It gets annoying, and comes off bad. People have given me reps on some of my posts to him. Not because I made a groundbreaking post, but because I was showing him how it looks when someone makes those ignorant judgements. And you didn't get that. You think I was being 100% serious on some claims, and that I was just trying to outdo him. No. I was trying to get a point across with him. not trying to be immature, just trying to show his behavior by giving him that same attitude.
Well you are still replying as well. And still not seeing my point. You don't have to agree. but you aren't understanding where I am coming from. That's all my goal is, was trying to explain to you where I am coming from, but you aren't at least doing that.
Let me ask. Do you now understand I was not talking about you and your situation? If so, then my whole point was, you So, after explain, even if you disagree, you should be able to at least see where I was coming from.
The uncivil part was you stating about "my fantasy world" that is uncivil. If you disagree, write the disagreement, and don't accuse the user of living in a fantasy, and acting as thought I was being all knowing with your "why, because you say so?" comment. So, your entire tone came off as being arrogant, and having an attitude when you took what I was saying out of context of the conversation. Explained above what I was doing. So you are focusing on the words I said, and not why I said them. Sometimes you have to look a bit deeper. Sometimes what someone says isn't the issue, so much as why they say it. Do they mean it, or was it for another reason.
I would agree. Any guy off the street, but she may not just be looking to plug an opening. She wants extra stuff that an Escort would give sooner than a man on the street will. Some have explained that perfectly, but people still are not getting it. Some women have different, more specific sexually, or even emotionally that an escort could do, once again, that a joe off the street won't, or won't want to.
Nah, no bad day. Sometimes I'm just a little sarcastic a hole. You seem like a cool person, and I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong.
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You seem like a cool person, and I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong.
