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Originally Posted by rationalmale18
The problem with this forum is that it is completely sopolistic. Even if the topic is discussing a generality, 6 posters will chime in with their anecdotal personal one off experience and claim the generality isn't true. It's obnoxious.
Anecdotes do not trump generality
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I agree with this and think it's a brilliant point to make on a forum, but will add that the generalities made in those discussions are prompted by anecdotal evidence in the first place and that's where the discussions fall by the wayside. In the failure to acknowledge that generalities are anecdotal themselves.
For many reasons, people assume that one person/group's anecdotal evidence is the most accurate reflection of what's generally true. Then they insist that any anecdotal evidence that conflicts with that generality must be a "one off" and therefore wrong or otherwise irrelevant to the discussion.
I find
that obnoxious because it's possible that
neither opinion accurately reflects the way things generally are or that both reflect what's generally the case
equally because what's generally the case doesn't actually fall on one side of the fence or the other.
I'll go out on a limb and guess based on what posters say about themselves that the majority aren't researchers who conduct studies or educate themselves on such studies on the various topics discussed here to have any basis
beyond their personal experience for what is or isn't true
most of the time or
for the majority - which is what "general" means.
So when they say, "Women xyz..." or "Men xyz...", it isn't because they've done the legwork and discovered through meticulous objective survey and calculation that what they're about to say is indeed a fact for the majority of that group.
They're saying it because they
think it's true based on their personal experience and the environment that surrounds them - the people they've known, what others have told them, what's joked about or referenced on TV, in movies, in books, on blogs. And because they believe that most people agree with them.
I'm not saying that as a criticism. That's how the mind works. I'm just making the point that it doesn't mean the generality they come up with is accurate. Even if most people
did agree with them, it still wouldn't mean it was accurate. It's not hard to condition large populations to agree on something in theory that's not actually true in practice.
So I can be one of those fabled 6 posters, but I don't do it because I think my experience completely negates someone else's or that it renders their opinion false or unworthy of exploration. It's only when someone elevates their perception to the status of fact by virtue of it being
theirs or being the most
popular perception, then turns around and devalues, when I play devil's advocate.
And I don't bother to mention things that are actually one offs, rare exceptions. I wouldn't jump into a thread where the consensus is that people aren't turned on by someone sh-tting in their mouth to say that I've met someone who is.
I mention the contrary if it represents a significant sample of the population that's being treated as negligible when it isn't. The problem is that people will still assume they're rare anyway because that's what they think - that's been their experience - even if there are objective facts beyond them that prove otherwise.
Long story short, I think people on
both sides of it would benefit from remembering that they're all just speaking for themselves.