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Being able to read a woman's body language and subtle cues is a sign of a good lover. Clueless men outside the bedroom are clueless in the bedroom.
Haha, more stereotypical gender bashing. Someone can be smart outside the bedroom, and clueless in the bedroom. That has absolutely no correlation to anything.
TheSmuggler has it right. I just wish women could be replaced as men for one day, then they can understand just how ridiculous it is to have to closely examine these "subtle cues" to determine interest. For the most part (not saying 100 percent), women have it ridiculously easy.
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Haha, more stereotypical gender bashing. Someone can be smart outside the bedroom, and clueless in the bedroom. That has absolutely no correlation to anything.
TheSmuggler has it right. I just wish women could be replaced as men for one day, then they can understand just how ridiculous it is to have to closely examine these "subtle cues" to determine interest. For the most part (not saying 100 percent), women have it ridiculously easy
Not only that, but there are a lot of women on this forum who will claim that the bolded actually amount to a woman "putting herself out there,"and "Initiating," just the same as approaching.
It's a ridiculous double standard that women hold, it's sexist as he**, and it gets a pass here day in, day out.
Anybody want to trot out any more man shaming and/or ridiculous generalizations? Seems this is the place to do it.
Women are so subtle, OP, because they refuse to face the rejection that they insist YOU face with a stoic face and just suck it up and take it.
Also, many women such as Butterflyfish here have no problem enforcing the gender stereotype.
Well.. there are gender roles. Men approach - women accept or reject. Men also reject or accept by choosing who to approach. Tons of unattractive women get rejected by men every day - they simply don't get approached. So both are choosing, just at different points so to speak.
For the most part (not saying 100 percent), women have it ridiculously easy.
I disagree. It's easy to think like this if you're just looking at the surface level but if you really think about it... If you're an unattractive woman (and let's just assume for the sake of the argument you can't lose weight) - you're F****************D. You can still get a man and you could even get one much more attractive than you in terms of looks BUT you will have to settle HARD in terms of his personality and personality is what's important to women. His personality will be as attractive as a box of bricks.
On the other hand, if you're a man and are not doing very well with the ladies. There are things you can do to improve your lot. a) your personality b) fashion/style c) finally in less rich parts of the world you can buy female affinity with your financial resources. You don't have these options to improve your chances as an unattractive woman.
Not only that, but there are a lot of women on this forum who will claim that the bolded actually amount to a woman "putting herself out there,"and "Initiating," just the same as approaching.
It's a ridiculous double standard that women hold, it's sexist as he**, and it gets a pass here day in, day out.
Look it's not a "double-standard". We are different, we have different roles/psychology/etc. We're not mirror images of each other. Look down and then look at her and look down. Looks a little different right? Then why do you expect symmetry?
I'm a guy, and no feminist. I'm just being real here.
Well.. there are gender roles. Men approach - women accept or reject. Men also reject or accept by choosing who to approach. Tons of unattractive women get rejected by men every day - they simply don't get approached. So both are choosing, just at different points so to speak.
To claim that not being approached is a "rejection" equivalent to what men face is a total farce that I just can't let stand.
Look it's not a "double-standard". We are different, we have different roles/psychology/etc. We're not mirror images of each other. Look down and then look at her and look down. Looks a little different right? Then why do you expect symmetry?
I'm a guy, and no feminist. I'm just being real here.
You may not be a feminist, but you are trotting out the classic white knight/feminist line. Basically you're saying that women should have all of the rights and privileges of equality, but none of the responsibility or the downsides.
The two genders are held to two different standards. That is, by definition, a double standard.
Anybody want to trot out any more man shaming and/or ridiculous generalizations? Seems this is the place to do it.
Women are so subtle, OP, because they refuse to face the rejection that they insist YOU face with a stoic face and just suck it up and take it.
Also, many women such as Butterflyfish here have no problem enforcing the gender stereotype.
I wasn't shaming anyone or gender bashing. Just expressing my opinion. Body language is 90+ percent of communication and comes in especially handy during courtship and mating. That's true for both genders.
I don't see how women INSIST that men do anything. You are blaming women because other men are better at the courtship dance than you are. Why don't you take it up with the men who are out there initiating and spoiling it for you?
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You are blaming women because other men are better at the courtship dance than you are. Why don't you take it up with the men who are out there initiating and spoiling it for you?
Butterflyfish has a point here. Most men, whether through inspired talent or sedulous effort, somehow manage to navigate the dating-labyrinth and emerge successfully. Those who keep trying and failing are in the minority. If most men, or even just the plurality of men, felt such frustrations, well, presumably the mainstream culture would change. The stability of the mainstream culture suggests that however acute may be the failures of a portion of men, those men are in the minority.
That notwithstanding, I do agree with Smuggler that whatever gender-equality we may have achieved in our broader society, dating very much remains a bastion of inequality. Most men in most circumstances manage to overcome this, and to attain satisfying relationships. But this is a credit to the tenacity of hormone-driven perseverance, and not necessarily evidence negating the claim that gender-inequality is in fact absent.
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