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Health and financially, primarily (especially health). The big one why women have the disadvantage is that women work as the men do nowadays, but with marriage they're overwhelmingly responsible for the majority of chores as well, so they cook, clean, and shop for two. Women get a raw deal, generally.
There are many studies on it, but the biggest one recently was by PEW. There are tons of pop stuff out there too such as:
Ok fair enough. Since you have statistics, I can't argue with you on it personally, but I can challenge their statistics. I don't follow their research and studies because alot of it is skewed by gender and media. But in my own opinion (real life), cooking, cleaning and shopping (with the husband's money), CANNOT be any "worse" than sitting in traffic everyday, answering to a boss(unless you own), competing with coworkers, fighting for raises, taking on the stress and burden of making sure you have an income always to provide food, shelter, clothing, cars, etc for others. I'm thinking in a more logical way than statistical. Worst comes to worst, I can shop, cook and clean for myself. I'd rather do it myself to make sure it gets done. Married or not.
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That is if men get and STAY married. If they get divorced, let's face it anyone who is getting married needs to consider divorce as a real possibility, that business deal potentially gets real sour real fast for a man.
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Ok fair enough. Since you have statistics, I can't argue with you on it personally, but I can challenge their statistics. I don't follow their research and studies because alot it is skewed by gender and media. But in my own opinion (real life), cooking, cleaning and shopping (with the husband's money), CANNOT be any "worse" than sitting in traffic everyday, answering to a boss(unless you own), competing with coworkers, fighting for raises, taking on the stress and burden of making sure you have an income always to provide food, shelter, clothing, cars, etc for others. I'm thinking in a more logical way than statistical. Worst comes to worst, I can shop, cook and clean for myself. I'd rather do it myself to make sure it gets done. Married or not.
That's the point. Women do that as well! (and well more than 50% of the chores)
The vast majority of couples both people work, and professional men marry professional women.
This is why the women get the shaft in marriage (generally).
Child support isn't to support children? Ok. It generally isn't enough to actually pay for the children.
But hey, split custody (or get full custody) as so many people do and no child support issues!
(Or don't get divorced (most people don't), or don't have children)
Do you know that every feminist organization fights tooth and nail to strike down any bill, law or ruling that is pro equal custody, where both parents have equal involvement in childs life? Getting a full custody is not an option for most married men, because family courts are so slanted and skewed to favor the wife. So, when a man gets married, he risks all he has and will acquire in his life, at an incredible small chance it will work out. Not to burst your bubble, but the only reason the divorce rate seems to be down in recent years, is simply because half the population in this country is no longer interested in marriage. Im sorry, but from business standpoint its an incredibly stupid move to accept those terms.
So, your stance is that any children you father, you shouldn't be obligated to financial support?
You should be obligated to support your children. The parent with full custody, should also be obligated to provide proof that the moneys paid is actually used for support of the children, not jimmy choo shoes or some other overpriced crap. But let me guess, that would simply be inconvenient.
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Do you know that every feminist organization fights tooth and nail to strike down any bill, law or ruling that is pro equal custody, where both parents have equal involvement in childs life? Getting a full custody is not an option for most married men, because family courts are so slanted and skewed to favor the wife. So, when a man gets married, he risks all he has and will acquire in his life, at an incredible small chance it will work out. Not to burst your bubble, but the only reason the divorce rate seems to be down in recent years, is simply because half the population in this country is no longer interested in marriage. Im sorry, but from business standpoint its an incredibly stupid move to accept those terms.
Small chance it will work out? 65-70% of first marriages work out.
And why does he risk all he's acquired, but not her? Divorce agreements, in the off chance they occur, only split assets acquired during marriage (which is a partnership). Not the stuff before.
And most people marry someone similar age and at a similar professional level and education level. So, marry someone that earns about the same amount, and the fears are gone.
No bubble to burst!
(And I'm not sure you get how rates work, people not getting married don't affect divorce rates other than people that shouldn't have gotten married choose not to get married in the first place... that's a good thing).
Do you know that every feminist organization fights tooth and nail to strike down any bill, law or ruling that is pro equal custody, where both parents have equal involvement in childs life? Getting a full custody is not an option for most married men, because family courts are so slanted and skewed to favor the wife. So, when a man gets married, he risks all he has and will acquire in his life, at an incredible small chance it will work out. Not to burst your bubble, but the only reason the divorce rate seems to be down in recent years, is simply because half the population in this country is no longer interested in marriage. Im sorry, but from business standpoint its an incredibly stupid move to accept those terms.
Yea this pretty much sums it up.
In my personal experience, everyone I know 40+ years old has been married twice. My of my male peers aren't interested in marriage for the very reasons Acension2012 stated. With modern day feminism, men pretty much ALWAYS lose in court. I personally know a girl that is financially unfit to care for her 2 daughters and guess what? She has them, and the financially stable father doesn't. But he damn well better have that child support every month, whether or not the mom is spending it on the children.
Do you know that every feminist organization fights tooth and nail to strike down any bill, law or ruling that is pro equal custody, where both parents have equal involvement in childs life?
Citations, please.
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