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Old 10-11-2015, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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How do you know that a woman has never beat me, emotionally abused me, or cheated on me?

When did I say that you owe me an apology?
Your own posts said that you would like an acknowledgement of your struggles from women in general. For what? For simply being a man? Were you abused? If so - then the woman that abused you owes you an apology. I certainly don't feel as if I am owed anything by men for the men that have wronged me.


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From what I've seen, the options for women usually aren't so bad. Basically, a woman can have a man of physical perfection that has a good job and is smart, but is not neat, and she will write him off. I've seen this multiple times in real life.

Not from every woman, but the higher quality, less picky women tend to be taken off the market pretty quickly (and usually end up with great guys that the picky women discarded for no reason).
Once again, women are not one entity. I had it easy. I dated awesome guys and turned down many awesome guys. Some of my friends haven't had a nibble in years. Like I said, we are not one entity. The experiences of one women are not true for all women.

 
Old 10-11-2015, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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When did it become wrong for a woman to wait for the man she wants that has the qualities she desires? Are women supposed to date a guy just because HE wants it? Men have the right to look for the woman that they choose to pursue, and women have the right to wait for the right man.
Time, reproduction and health is not a woman's best friend. My suggestion is buy a plane ticket to nyc and visit the upper east side of Manhattan. Talk to 40 something women who in their younger vulnerable days only dated educated, white collar men, mainly racially white and culturally suburban. Most of these women were just sex items and never relationship material. In the mean time they rejected decent guys who did not measure up. If this keeps going on the US will end up like Japan. I just finished reading dateonmics. It's a good book and they talk about what you just mentioned.
 
Old 10-11-2015, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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Time, reproduction and health is not a woman's best friend. My suggestion is buy a plane ticket to nyc and visit the upper east side of Manhattan. Talk to 40 something women who in their younger vulnerable days only dated educated, white collar men, mainly racially white and culturally suburban. Most of these women were just sex items and never relationship material. In the mean time they rejected decent guys who did not measure up. If this keeps going on the US will end up like Japan.
I used to live on the upper east side. I have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Old 10-11-2015, 08:32 PM
 
Location: The point of no return, er, NorCal
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Great analogy!

Running with this, I work in an in-demand field. I've recently began looking for a new job and posted my resume on various job websites. Since then, I have been inundated with calls and emails from recruiters (averaging about 10-20 total per day). Many of these jobs are not particularly good jobs. So I'm getting quantity, but not as much quality. It can be overwhelming at times.

This is the average experience of any woman at any given time (especially with OLD). The only difference is that I acknowledge that I'm lucky to have any job offers at all and I am grateful (it's better to have many bad job offers than no job offers at all).
But it's not the average experience of any woman on OLD. Hive posted the OKC stats and the majority of women don't get 10-20 messages a day. The top women, the most attractive, get somewhere around 11 a day. And the top men get 3 messages a week. Average women get 1 message a day, and for the average men, 1 message a month.

Women certainly have the upper advantage, but the vast majority aren't getting swamped with messages.

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Women, on the other hand, feel entitled to their perfect guy. So they do not share this sentiment. Whereas a good portion of men are just happy to have any interest from women at all.

It's strange to me that women don't understand this, but it comes up repeatedly and very few seem to.
I must have missed the memo. This is true according to what/who? Your biased, subjective observations? Your experiences, which are, of course, subjected to your own cognitive biases, cannot be used to make such generalizations. It's erroneous. You realize that, right?

I can say that a lot of the men I talked to/met/dated didn't appreciate ALL of the attention they received. If it was unwanted then receiving the attention wasn't necessarily a good thing. It isn't always a case of "any attention is good attention." I talked to plenty of men who shared stories of getting messages from women they weren't interested in and complaining about their lack of "good" matches, and in some cases "good" meant attractive. "Good" means different things to different people. I would say a lot of women (and men) who are serious about dating and pursuing something long term want to find a great match, whatever that may be. I would hazard a guess that most 30s+ women understand there's no such thing as "perfect" and they're not looking for Prince Charming. I wouldn't know what "perfect" looks like, and recognize that even my highest matches, and I had a lot of them, weren't perfect. I didn't go in expecting a perfect guy; I went in looking for truly compatible partner who met certain criteria (he needn't be perfect, however).
 
Old 10-11-2015, 08:32 PM
 
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Women have the advantage. They don't have to worry about much when dating as the man is expected to take care of most everything. The man also has to be prepared to pay for everything. Lots of young guys can't afford to go on a regular date. Hooking up is a different matter...
 
Old 10-11-2015, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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I used to live on the upper east side. I have no idea what you are talking about.
Now it's different. I actually went on a date with a woman from this area. She is willing to go for someone decent and lesser than her. She should have done that decade ago. I'm not gonna go for a woman way past her 30s and use her for sex.
 
Old 10-11-2015, 08:45 PM
 
Location: The Present
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It depends on the location. In the states, or better yet countries that follow capitalist models it comes down to guys just being too thirsty. When you're in socialist countries (excluding Canada) or countries where prostituition is legal - it's a very different story.

Women in general have the advantage until they reach their 30's - after that it's a sharp fall.
 
Old 10-11-2015, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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It depends on the location. In the states, or better yet countries that follow capitalist models it comes down to guys just being too thirsty. When you're in socialist countries (excluding Canada) or countries where prostituition is legal - it's a very different story.

Women in general have the advantage until they reach their 30's - after that it's a sharp fall.
This is very true. From my observation I only observe two types of women. Single mom who have men on the regular and no husband, careerist picky women. Both groups will not find a husband because they are picky and time is against them, but also works against them. 30s takes a nose dive for women.
 
Old 10-11-2015, 08:50 PM
 
Location: The Present
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Time, reproduction and health is not a woman's best friend. My suggestion is buy a plane ticket to nyc and visit the upper east side of Manhattan. Talk to 40 something women who in their younger vulnerable days only dated educated, white collar men, mainly racially white and culturally suburban. Most of these women were just sex items and never relationship material. In the mean time they rejected decent guys who did not measure up. If this keeps going on the US will end up like Japan. I just finished reading dateonmics. It's a good book and they talk about what you just mentioned.
A good deal of those women were also trying to be like Sarah Jessica Parker and emulate the Sex and the city lifestyle. That show did a lot of damage, and now you have a new generation of women trying to emulate a degenerate like Lena Dunham from girls. A good deal of those women from the UES you'll find in Williamsburg, Bushwick, Ridgewood trying to relive their glory days. It's really sad, I had to rep you for that observation.
 
Old 10-11-2015, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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Now it's different. I actually went on a date with a woman from this area. She is willing to go for someone decent and lesser than her. She should have done that decade ago. I'm not gonna go for a woman way past her 30s and use her for sex.
I moved 5 years ago. Are you saying it's drastically different 5 years later? And you went on a date with someone from the upper east side - and she represents ALL women from the upper east side? And how do you know what kind of guys she dated and what kind of guy she wants to date now? Good grief.
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