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Old 11-09-2015, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Brentwood, Tennessee
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... it seems that attracting women has gotten more difficult as I got older. And I wasn't even all that great at it growing up, but I may have had my moments sprinkled out here and there.
It happens to the majority of people, both genders.

 
Old 11-09-2015, 01:12 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Y'all getting lost in the sauce. The point I was trying to make was, people shouldn't be considered losers based on the superficial standards of what other people think but, rather, based on the content of their character.

I'm not a kissless virgin, however, it seems that attracting women has gotten more difficult as I got older. And I wasn't even all that great at it growing up, but I may have had my moments sprinkled out here and there.
OP, some of us feel your pain. It's hard for more people than you'd think. As for the shame factor, IDK. There's a whole issue about women being exploited in that line of work, a whole thing about the strong tendency for women with an early history of abuse ending up in that line of work, etc. So IDK. Supposedly, in the countries where it's legal, that's not so much the case. I think this should be studied, to see if that's really true or not. I'm sure to some extent, it's true in those places, too.
 
Old 11-09-2015, 01:13 PM
 
Location: CA
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Y'all getting lost in the sauce. The point I was trying to make was, people shouldn't be considered losers based on the superficial standards of what other people think but, rather, based on the content of their character.
But a lot of people would consider using an escort evidence of a serious character flaw. That is not superficial. You and some others may not agree, but other people can have their own moral standards too and do not have to conform to your preferences.
 
Old 11-09-2015, 01:16 PM
 
Location: CA
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OP, some of us feel your pain. It's hard for more people than you'd think. As for the shame factor, IDK. There's a whole issue about women being exploited in that line of work, a whole thing about the strong tendency for women with an early history of abuse ending up in that line of work, etc. So IDK. Supposedly, in the countries where it's legal, that's not so much the case. I think this should be studied, to see if that's really true or not. I'm sure to some extent, it's true in those places, too.
I may be wrong about this, but while prostitution is legal in some Western countries, soliciting sex usually is not, aka, the buyer is still a criminal. This is because the goal is not to legitimize prostitution as a profession, but to treat prostitutes as victims and not criminals. The reason for this is due to what you bring out about exploitation, abuse, etc.
 
Old 11-09-2015, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Jupiter
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Where are these men? I know a few guys who use escorts and they don't give a damn what anyone thinks. Their business, no one elses.
 
Old 11-09-2015, 01:25 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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You and some others may not agree, but other people can have their own moral standards too and do not have to conform to your preferences.
Pot meet kettle.
 
Old 11-09-2015, 01:30 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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I may be wrong about this, but while prostitution is legal in some Western countries, soliciting sex usually is not, aka, the buyer is still a criminal. This is because the goal is not to legitimize prostitution as a profession, but to treat prostitutes as victims and not criminals. The reason for this is due to what you bring out about exploitation, abuse, etc.
There are many forms of labor in which exploitation and abuse exists. Human trafficking for example includes farming, food services, housekeeping, etc... services as well.

But of all of those types of labor, only prostitution is made illegal.

Sex between consenting adults is legal.
Exchange of money for labor is legal.

But the combination of the two is not legal?

However, first and foremost... I want those that work as prostitutes to have the same protections as everyone else. While I would rather see the legalization and regulation of prostitution (hardening of laws regarding those that would exploit them.. forced, coerced, underage.. ex), I think the legalization of the sale of sex as a service as a good step in the right direction.
 
Old 11-09-2015, 01:31 PM
 
Location: CA
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Pot meet kettle.
No, I am not crying about people judging me because I dont use escorts.
I am not crying for people to agree with anything Ive written (not all of which is my opinion at all, but explanation for the general reason people shame, which some here seem unable to grasp).
I am not saying "should" or "should not"; I presented "why". The OP's standard is not the majority standard.

So on the contrary, I make effort to understand many sides of issue.
 
Old 11-09-2015, 01:33 PM
 
Location: CA
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Originally Posted by usayit View Post
There are many forms of labor in which exploitation and abuse exists. Human trafficking for example includes farming, food services, housekeeping, etc... services as well.

But of all of those types of labor, only prostitution is made illegal.

Sex between consenting adults is legal.
Exchange of money for labor is legal.

But the combination of the two is not legal?

However, first and foremost... I want those that work as prostitutes to have the same protections as everyone else. While I would rather see the legalization and regulation of prostitution (hardening of laws regarding those that would exploit them.. forced, coerced, underage.. ex), I think the legalization of the sale of sex as a service as a good step in the right direction.
I dont know why you keep quoting me.
I am not interested in discussing what should or should not be legal.
I am intersted in human emotional health and morality which promotes healthy, happy, high-functioning people, which politics often has little to do with.
 
Old 11-09-2015, 01:34 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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No, I am not crying about people judging me because I dont use escorts..
Nope but you throw around the term "moral" a lot.... but it is only acceptable to you in this discussion if it coincides with your definition of it.

Thus...

Pot meet kettle.
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