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Old 02-09-2016, 10:22 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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General work experience yes but not the specific experience in the field you are trying to get in which is what companies ask for.

Too bad I guess. That's why I did internships and seasonal work for years.
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Old 02-09-2016, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Carolina
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Would you date someone that makes Minimum Wage?


Minimum wage is better than no wage, why not?
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Old 02-09-2016, 10:33 AM
 
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Too bad I guess. That's why I did internships and seasonal work for years.
I was fortunate enough to do an internship. Getting involved in clubs and organizations is how a lot us of new grads seem to do it nowadays.
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Old 02-09-2016, 10:42 AM
 
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How did you jump from "owed dates" to "give it up"? I've never made any connection between dating and giving it up except perhaps in the context of an intervening relationship.

As a cynical observer, I see a lot of blame to go around. Whiny guys are certainly to blame and they are annoying but they neither exist nor whine in a vacuum. They exist and whine in a desert of sorts while many women are feasting with an ocean of happy options, and, dare I say it, their own sense of entitlement.
For myself, I don't care about blame. What good did it ever do anyone? You want something. You are either effective at getting it or you are not. If these women are feasting in an ocean of happy options, what would motivate them to do anything different? How is that a bad thing? Are they to BLAME because... what? They are to blame for feeling entitled? Probably. How does that affect the outcome of their happiness? They are to blame for the unhappiness of some guy they don't even know who does not get to date them? Just no.
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Old 02-09-2016, 10:51 AM
 
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Too bad I guess. That's why I did internships and seasonal work for years.
While in college, I took things like coding club. Nowadays Meetups are EVERYWHERE now. I worked in a bank and was able to provide references about how I proactively learned how to fix the software though it was not my job. I was a teller.

We had an intern working for us recently. From the standpoint of writing actual code, not so much. He is still in school. Does he understand a single one of the design patterns that we use? Nope. Has he ever worked in software? Well except for this internship, Nope. He is on track to have a position made for him because of his tenacity, willingness to learn and grow and frankly the fact that he did not sit on his degree in order to get employed. Should he not choose to work for us, he gets a kick butt reference from me.

Who would someone THINK a company is going to hire? This guy? Or the guy who whines about what the company SHOULD expect for their positions?
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Old 02-09-2016, 11:21 AM
 
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Truth be told, and this may be unpopular, probably not. In most cases, I am likely not hanging around people who make minimum wage. If it's a temporary layover while they are lining something up more in line with their skill set, that's one exception. However, I am not hanging out with many people who make minimum wage. People tend to associate with people who are most like them. I hang out with other college educated professional types who have ambition. These types of people are not typically making minimum wage.
No ambition? Well, a person working any kind of job has ambition, because, after all, they are working for a paycheck. I think it's unfair to categorize people working low-wage jobs as lacking ambition or being deficient or inferior, which is what you seem to suggest. Very elitist.
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Old 02-09-2016, 11:22 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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There is a HUGE, er, relationship between quality of employment and quality of relationship.
I was referring to the debate about minimum wage and whether it should exist, reduced, or increased (and entitled)
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Old 02-09-2016, 11:35 AM
 
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Most people have experience upon entry to the professional job market, or they should.
Generalization. 'Most'? Many perhaps, but probably not most.
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Old 02-09-2016, 11:37 AM
 
Location: SoCal again
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No ambition? Well, a person working any kind of job has ambition, because, after all, they are working for a paycheck. I think it's unfair to categorize people working low-wage jobs as lacking ambition or being deficient or inferior, which is what you seem to suggest. Very elitist.
So not true. Just because you go show up at work and sit around for 8 hours doesn't mean you have ambition.


If somebody is over 30 and STILL working minimum wage, the took the wrong turns on all the cross roads he ever stood at and I am pretty sure there were many.


I partied throughout my 20s, took lots of wrong turns and missed opportunities and still reached a certain income/career level.


Then I moved to a different country and started at the bottom and passed the minimum wage level after a year.


Then I moved to a different state and started from scratch AGAIN.


I have a coworker who earns VERY GOOD money and he came from an area with a really high unemployment rate. His highschool buddies still live there and complain about the unfair world. He sat in his car after one year of being unemployed and out of school and drove around and didn't stop until he found a job. His buddies think he had luck - no he didn't - he put in EFFORT.
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Old 02-09-2016, 11:41 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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Generalization. 'Most'? Many perhaps, but probably not most.

I think most now, since almost all curriculums I've seen require internships to graduate. Maybe that is regional though.
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