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Agreed. Worked on his campaigns in the early 90s. Great guy. Critical for raising issues the corporate mainstream right wing politicians of both parties won't address without him, but he's too much of an idealist for President.
Agreed. Worked on his campaigns in the early 90s. Great guy. Critical for raising issues the corporate mainstream right wing politicians of both parties won't address without him, but he's too much of an idealist for President.
I met him on several occasions when I was kid. When my father went back to college, he took a night job as a janitor at City Hall in Burlington, and I used to tag along because I didn't like being home alone at night. I remember sometimes Bernie would be working late in his office, and he let my brother and I spin in the big chair behind his desk. But, I have to keep reminding myself that (much like socks with sandals) what works for VT just isn't realistic for the nation as a whole. Sigh.
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Another wow on this being a conservative forum. Lots of wow's today.
I'll take a different tact. I wouldn't date a Teump supporter because I'm in love with a woman who does support trump. Even though we are split, I wouldn't date one while still in love with another.
Date... Lol
LOL, I had to sketch this out on paper first, but it makes perfect sense
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Timberline, I don't disagree with eliminating the environment that fosters Radical Islamic Terrorism! Our leaders must BOTH wage war against the threat AND address the issue socially.
You are being shortsighted by aligning yourself with those who; draw red lines against regimes but then do nothing when those lines are crossed, withdraw military forces from a region before it is ready to stand on its' own and prevent the emergence of groups like ISIS, refuse to call out the threat by name (ISIS, The Muslim Brotherhood, etc. are all what?), and insist on bringing in people from a region that is known for its' terror attacks despite the terrorists themselves saying that their plan is to infiltrate the US as refugees the same way that they did in France and Brussels.
I'm "afraid" of people who want to kill me because they are Radicalized.
And I would vote for neither but, of the two, Hillary clearly has more of a commanding presence IMO.
I love me some Bernie, and believe in his philosophy, what he champions, I just don't know if the state of the country and political climate are ready for what he proposes. Not when a large subset of society is ignorant (regurgitating talking points and propaganda does not count as common sense) on the basis of these policies (or politics in general) and how they can be beneficial. Maybe in a few terms or couple generations we'll be ready for a philosophy that Bernie proposes. I can only hope.
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Madam (thank you for the courtesy). You are being shortsighted by aligning yourself with those who; draw red lines against regimes but then do nothing when those lines are crossed, withdraw military forces from a region before it is ready to stand on its' own and prevent the emergence of groups like ISIS, refuse to call out the threat by name (ISIS, The Muslim Brotherhood, etc. are all what?), and insist on bringing in people from a region that is known for its' terror attacks despite the terrorists themselves saying that their plan is to infiltrate the US as refugees the same way that they did in France and Brussels.
We created ISIS with or Iraq strategy and policies. We promoted the Muslim brotherhood through our foreign policy (by promoting Mubarak who was a dictator), and they were democratically elected in Egypt (we seem to love democracy here, but hate it in other countries when they elect those we don't agree with... which is why we support so many dictators. That is the truth. We are responsible for this. We need to check our own actions if we want them to stop.
I also love the "withraw military forces" from a region... why were our forces there? The place (yes, even Iraq, outside some part of Kurdistan) were stable. Much more stable than they are now. For less than 1/20th the cost of that 2-3 trillion dollar war these conservative parties got us into for the benefit for the military industrial complex we could have provided college education for everyone. But the powers that be don't want that.
We don't control the world. We don't own the world. Withdrawing from engagement is dumb, but so is expecting everyone to work for us or to do what we want.
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People who want to kill me because they are Radicalized.
No one is suggesting we bring in these people. Our refugee process is incredibly extensive (takes years often enough), no one is promoting waving it, and no terrorist act has been committed by a refugee on our soil. We also helped create the Syrian refugee crisis, so there is such a thing as taking responsibility for one's actions.
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I love me some Bernie, and believe in his philosophy, what he champions, I just don't know if the state of the country and political climate are ready for what he proposes. Not when a large subset of society is ignorant (regurgitating talking points and propaganda does not count as common sense) on the basis of these policies (or politics in general) and how they can be beneficial. Maybe in a few terms or couple generations we'll be ready for a philosophy that Bernie proposes. I can only hope.
This isn't an accident. It is why the right, and corporate owned politicians in general, attack and try to defund education. See Scott Walker in Wisconsin. They are promoting ignorance and attacking critical thinking skills that make the populace more educated. We also see this in the push for less liberal arts educations and pushing schools to become more like job training centers, rather than institutions of higher thought and critical thinking.
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I met him on several occasions when I was kid. When my father went back to college, he took a night job as a janitor at City Hall in Burlington, and I used to tag along because I didn't like being home alone at night. I remember sometimes Bernie would be working late in his office, and he let my brother and I spin in the big chair behind his desk. But, I have to keep reminding myself that (much like socks with sandals) what works for VT just isn't realistic for the nation as a whole. Sigh.
LOL, I had to sketch this out on paper first, but it makes perfect sense
Auto correct I was taking a break from the sawdust and paint... Maybe it was the paint fumes. lol
yeah...that's kinda what dating is all about too, right?!
Of course and I don't begrudge another's choice. Just shocking that backing a candidate could totally skew an otherwise completely compatible individual.
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Of course and I don't begrudge another's choice. Just shocking that backing a candidate could totally skew an otherwise completely compatible individual.
Too each their own.
They wouldn't be otherwise compatible. They would have fundamentally different world views and priorities and values.
That's the entire point.
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I was taking a break from the sawdust and paint... Maybe it was the paint fumes. lol