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Old 01-19-2018, 11:18 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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I love it as well and can't understand why it would create hostility from women. In my opinion this is done out of respect, not because we are weak or incapable. Opening doors, paying for dinner, helping with a heavy bag, offering your coat... someone mentioned standing when a woman is approaching which I LOVE and find so sweet and respectful. When I was a smoker years ago I loved when a man would light my cigarette for me. Chivalrous acts will help a man stand out from others who don't care to model these qualities.
Only a bonehead would get upset with those types of basically polite gestures. Course there are a few feminazi man haters out there that would manage to find offense but whatever. The average woman can see it for what it is.
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Old 01-19-2018, 11:49 PM
 
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Only a bonehead would get upset with those types of basically polite gestures. Course there are a few feminazi man haters out there that would manage to find offense but whatever. The average woman can see it for what it is.
Nobody really does...well, nobody off the internet. And I have never, in 50 solid years on this planet, on two coasts and in between, in major cities or cute bedroom communities or rural mountain areas...never ever...seen a woman take off viciously on a man for holding a door.

Maybe I've just been lucky for five decades? Because we all KNOW none of these scenarios could be exaggerations or MGTOW copy and pastes or anything.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm going with: I've just been lucky enough never to see a woman snap her head whiplash-style backward at a man daring to hold the door, and bark at him while storming on her "second wave feminist" sensible heels through the door, swinging her scary Hilary haircut (ZOMG) as she went.
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:59 AM
 
Location: Huntersville/Charlotte, NC and Washington, DC
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I love it as well and can't understand why it would create hostility from women. In my opinion this is done out of respect, not because we are weak or incapable. Opening doors, paying for dinner, helping with a heavy bag, offering your coat... someone mentioned standing when a woman is approaching which I LOVE and find so sweet and respectful. When I was a smoker years ago I loved when a man would light my cigarette for me. Chivalrous acts will help a man stand out from others who don't care to model these qualities.
There is respect for a woman. Listening to her, considering her ideas, eye contact, etc. Those are respect. What I bolded, I consider that serious a%$-kissing, not respect, totally not my game.

Really, what in the hell is with the standing thing? It ain't like your in a courtroom and the judge just walked in. Seriously, what's up with that?
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Old 01-21-2018, 04:33 PM
 
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Opening doors, paying for dinner, helping with a heavy bag, offering your coat... someone mentioned standing when a woman is approaching which I LOVE and find so sweet and respectful. When I was a smoker years ago I loved when a man would light my cigarette for me.
Which of these have you done for men, or other women?
Do you consider yourself respectful?
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Old 01-21-2018, 06:55 PM
 
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Which of these have you done for men, or other women?
Do you consider yourself respectful?
Most men I know would find that insulting. Then the action becomes disrespectful.
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Old 01-21-2018, 07:32 PM
 
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I haven't seen the standing up thing since the 70s...pulling a chair, same...

Opening doors, little acts of gentleness...oh, I love those. I melt.
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Old 01-21-2018, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Western Canada
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Which of these have you done for men, or other women?
Do you consider yourself respectful?
I have opened doors, paid for dinner, helped carry heavy things, lit another person's cigarette. For men and other women. And I do consider myself respectful.
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Old 01-21-2018, 10:07 PM
 
Location: In the bee-loud glade
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I think I've said this before. These gestures are part of the give and take in many relationships and part of what our culture sees as social grace. For my part I enjoy being what I'll call gentlemanly and doing little acts of kindness or thoughtfulness. I feel like the gestures, or the thought behind them, are little gifts. I'll keep giving as long as they feel like gifts. If they start feeling like expectations, or worse yet like something she's entitled to, I'm not a fan. I think one woman I almost dated is still standing outside that door I let close in 1978. I'm not sure because I never looked back. But she was the only person I couldn't get on the same page with on this stuff. I've never had a gesture I made become a problem with a woman I was dating, or a friend or a stranger for that matter.
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