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But we're not their victims, except to the extent that what they spew here is offensive.
Not yet. Not at this moment, no. As far as we know.
We don't know WHO anonymous people on the internet are. I don't know who you are. You don't know who I am. You don't know if I'm drumming up hatred thoughts and making plans against your kid next time. If I were, would you be on my side of support and being gentle and understanding of me, because it's not my fault I want to shoot up your kid? It's somebody else's fault and maybe people should have been more understanding of me?
That doesn't mean the impulses that arise from that anger are correct.
If their desire to have sex is SO strong, but some aren't getting it, then men need a new definition of masculinity so they don't think that anger and lashing out in violence are their only options.
What a great idea! Lets redefine thousands of years of human evolution, real fast, so we can get rid of sex drive that man are born with, while demonizing them for it at the same time! Feminism.
This is part of what "toxic masculinity" entails. Yup.
hahaha. "Toxic masculinity", is a term coined by feminists - to brainwash people that men are inherently evil beings. Stop with the nonsense please. Man bashing here is getting a bit out of hand. God forbid a woman is criticized on these forums, threads are locked and everyone gets the ban hammer, its the end of the world. But making fun of 40 year old virgins, calling them mass murderers and attacking masculinity, is all in a days work. No big deal. Shame on you.
This is a great point, but I wonder what's different between now and in the past? Because now there's at least an awareness that it's okay for boys and young men to have and express feelings; every school has a counselor, etc. Back when "boys don't cry" was the rule of law, there weren't these kind of systematic violent outbursts (or were there, but they were different?)
Hm. Well...
First of all, I'm not really sure, anything I say past this point is guesswork. And mass shooters can be of a number of age ranges, not just kids growing up today, so...? But I would think that some factors that contribute:
1. Less physicality. Less hard physical work now, in the lives of young people.
2. Too much freedom in a way. We were told we could be ANYTHING, so the natural reality of not having a damn clue what we're going to be as teenagers, makes us feel like we're already failing before we've even begun.
3. Too much unrealistic BS in all forms of media about what we're supposed to do in life. Everybody is exceptional! Being merely average is somehow a shameful thing, because anyone can be a superstar, so if you aren't, then...you're a failure!
4. Speaking of unrealistic BS? I see kids as young as middle school, saying that they are "boyfriend and girlfriend" and even if they aren't having sex (and some are) they are being controlling, saying that their person is not allowed to even TALK TO other boys/girls. They're getting a head start on controlling, abusive, and unhealthy relationship behavior pretty freakin' young. In my grandma's day, even as a young adult, you went on completely non-sexual DATES with boys who had no claim to exclusivity, nor entitlement to sex, and you didn't get to assume they belonged to you, until you earned the status of "going steady." Which was pre-engagement, more or less.
5. The obsession with the individual's freedom and right to explore and form their own identity, while I think it can be pretty cool, can probably lead to a lot of confusion and emotional turbulence. There were things we used to take for granted, and now we can't.
6. I would not be shocked if intense immersion in violent gaming plays a part. Yeah, yeah, "don't blame the video games" right...but if you are in a killing simulator that is intense and realistic, that gets your blood pumping, every free moment you can get, as many of today's boys are, I don't think it is a stretch to say that COULD program some ideas, concepts, imagery, fantasy, into a young developing mind.
7. Disconnection from reality. Man, I used to go outside and play as a kid! You could not keep me from exploring any patch of woods that I saw. My kids don't even care. The fact that they spend a lot of time in a virtual world, also means they aren't learning reality-handling skills as much, they aren't spending their time doing real life problem solving and real life constructive stuff. When you come back to the actual room you're in, and look around, and have accomplished nothing, I figure you might feel kind of disempowered.
8. Parental neglect, self-centeredness, uninvolvement, absence. Or the "spoiling" (building entitlement mentality) of kids. My parents and their parents grew up in harsher environments. We now want to spare our kids every discomfort and give them every happiness...but is this helping them? Life will not be so kind.
...just some guesses. Frankly, I am still working out how to be a healthy, functional, self-aware adult. And I can't say I haven't let my own kids down. Like all parents, I'm just trying my best here.
What a great idea! Lets redefine thousands of years of human evolution, real fast, so we can get rid of sex drive that man are born with, while demonizing them for it at the same time! Feminism.
Nah, that's a terrible idea. Why would you suggest that?
It won't make a difference with you, but I will try to explain: The definition of masculinity that needs to be redefined is the modern one influenced by porn, the one that combines sex, pornography, and the increased pressure on young men to live up to some mythical “player” status ... now pressurized by a thousand social media updates and dating apps.
Young Americans may not be having more sex than their parents did, but it's easy to see how a young guy can grow up believing the opposite. Sex is everywhere, but most people STILL don't really talk about it. So they internalize the messages that are dangerous: that sex is our most valuable social currency; that “boys will be boys”; that women are sluts if they put out, prudes if they don’t, and beyotches if they even dare to object.
Many young men are told that their value comes from their number of sex partners, and that is part of the same patriarchal structure that judges, values and punishes women for their sexual choices.
So you can keep throwing the word "feminist" around like it's a bad thing if you want to, but you're really only slighting yourself.
Nah, that's a terrible idea. Why would you suggest that?
It won't make a difference with you, but I will try to explain: The definition of masculinity that needs to be redefined is the modern one influenced by porn, the one that combines sex, pornography, and the increased pressure on young men to live up to some mythical “player” status ... now pressurized by a thousand social updates and dating apps.
Young Americans may not be having more sex than their parents did, but it's easy to see how a young guy can grow up believing the opposite. Sex is everywhere, but most people STILL don't really talk about it. So they internalize the messages that are dangerous: that sex is our most valuable social currency; that “boys will be boys”; that women are sluts if they put out, prudes if they don’t, and ******* if they object.
Many young men are told that their value comes from their number of sex partners, and that is part of the same patriarchal structure that judges, values and punishes women for their sexual choices.
So you can keep throwing the word "feminist" around like it's a bad thing if you want to, but you're really only slighting yourself.
This is brilliant and so true. Sorry, couldn't rep you, BB.
Nah, that's a terrible idea. Why would you suggest that?
It won't make a difference with you, but I will try to explain: The definition of masculinity that needs to be redefined is the modern one influenced by porn, the one that combines sex, pornography, and the increased pressure on young men to live up to some mythical “player” status ... now pressurized by a thousand social media updates and dating apps.
Young Americans may not be having more sex than their parents did, but it's easy to see how a young guy can grow up believing the opposite. Sex is everywhere, but most people STILL don't really talk about it. So they internalize the messages that are dangerous: that sex is our most valuable social currency; that “boys will be boys”; that women are sluts if they put out, prudes if they don’t, and beyotches if they even dare to object.
Many young men are told that their value comes from their number of sex partners, and that is part of the same patriarchal structure that judges, values and punishes women for their sexual choices.
So you can keep throwing the word "feminist" around like it's a bad thing if you want to, but you're really only slighting yourself.
Of course feminism is a bad thing. ITS CANCER. At least you are honest enough, that your goal is to destroy this civilization because "evil patriarchy" so you can rebuild it according to your vision. It aint gonna happen, no matter how much you whine, kick and scream. The pendulum has swung too far the other way, and its on the way back. Best not get in the way as its gaining momentum.
Of course feminism is a bad thing. ITS CANCER. At least you are honest enough, that your goal is to destroy this civilization because "evil patriarchy" so you can rebuild it according to your vision. It aint gonna happen, no matter how much you whine, kick and scream. The pendulum has swung too far the other way, and its on the way back. Best not get in the way as its gaining momentum.
I just suggested ways to make your life easier, yet you are buried SO deep in your resentment that you can't even recognize it.
As far as unsuccessful bitter men coming here to be heard....there will be no mass commiserating, that's flawed logic. They lost their way, Mgtow and Red Pill Inc, was 3 doors down. They come here looking for a debate they egotistically think will have merit, but illogically as this isn't the right audience. They are rejected by women, unknowingly express their all consuming contempt, and the worst want to get defensive with a nicely timed: "chics in my social circle dig me, though, it's just the old hags here I can't get along with."
Ok. Glutton for punishment, come on over and try to one-up the dumb wimmenz here after your daily dose of redpill.
I do something similar to you, Homina, but those people ask for, and expect, ACCEPT help in assimilating. It's a rewarding job.
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