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Before modern times while I am certainly aware men could use and abuse women with little repercussions I wonder if you think there were any couples that even by our standards today would be considered a great loving man towards his wife? Like any men back from ancient times to 20th century that didn't constantly beat/rape his woman and genuinely loved and cared for her? You think such men existed back then?
Your question is framed in such a way that indicates a lack of knowledge about sociology and history. However, I will say this much - before humans became agrarians, they were 'hunter-gatherers.' Patriarchy, the concept of man being superior to woman, was developed during the agrarian shift. Social stratification also occurred after the shift. The hunter-gatherer period was egalitarian.
If I had been 'constantly beaten and raped' by my 'husband' in 'ancient times to the 20th century' I would have packed my hobo bag and walked away until I didn't remember where I was from. Or just taken an elk horn and shivved him in the jugular.
Before modern times while I am certainly aware men could use and abuse women with little repercussions I wonder if you think there were any couples that even by our standards today would be considered a great loving man towards his wife? Like any men back from ancient times to 20th century that didn't constantly beat/rape his woman and genuinely loved and cared for her? You think such men existed back then?
Are you aware that quite a few cultures "in ancient times" were matriarchal, and that some still are? And that in some societies, all the woman had to do, if she was unhappy with her mate, is leave, or cast him out of the home?
It sounds like you're extrapolating back in time that violence against the female mate was the norm. That would be an erroneous assumption. Is "Zengha" a Chinese name? There are cultures in China that are still matriarchal today.
Before modern times while I am certainly aware men could use and abuse women with little repercussions I wonder if you think there were any couples that even by our standards today would be considered a great loving man towards his wife? Like any men back from ancient times to 20th century that didn't constantly beat/rape his woman and genuinely loved and cared for her? You think such men existed back then?
Yes. I saw an article years ago in Smithsonian Magazine about an archaeological excavation of some ruins on an island off the coast of Greece that experienced a terrible earthquake 1500 years or so ago. One photo was of the skeleton of a man who was probably in his late 20s. His arm is protectively across the skeleton of a woman who was about 19. Between them is the skeleton of an infant. That is how they died. It was very moving.
I'm sure most men didn't constantly rape and beat their women. I don't know why you think they did.
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Before modern times while I am certainly aware men could use and abuse women with little repercussions I wonder if you think there were any couples that even by our standards today would be considered a great loving man towards his wife? Like any men back from ancient times to 20th century that didn't constantly beat/rape his woman and genuinely loved and cared for her? You think such men existed back then?
Do you read poetry?
What a funny thing to think, that back before about 100 years ago human society had no couples where the men didn't constantly rape and beat their wives.
It's still pretty controversial whether historically there were really many truly matriarchal societies. Considering the bad behavior of men now even with supposed protections in place for assaultive and abusive behavior, I really do doubt that women experienced much true affection from men. But I don't know how much true affection was felt by women for men, either. Romantic relationships are a very recent development. Without romantic feelings the marital relationship exists to serve the purposes of economics and reproduction. Unless you were rich, life was pretty bleak with almost every minute spent working to survive - no, I don't think women were beaten and raped every day but I'd guess there was a lot more "doing her duty" than romance.
One thing is for certain, before socialism (and "all men" supporting "all women") a woman had to snag at least one man to support her.
Oh, the outrage !
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