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It can take years. I also realized my ex-wife and I had completely different views on marriage. For me it was forever and for her it was until we went through a hard time. Then she was gone.
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Originally Posted by The_Atlguy
Anything except abuse, addiction, or adultery, absolutely. Those are the deal breakers.
We have a bazillion threads here with people complaining about their spouses and we tell them to get the heck out of that marriage while if asked, their partner may think of this being "a hard time." And it is not addiction/adultery related. Abuse is a loaded word. It can just mean not enough sex or communication, not enough effort in the relationship.
Honestly, I find this to be a dangerous attitude. It pretty much conveys that your partner can do anything and you won't ever leave them. I know how much men really love those traditional vows, but they are crap if you ask me. Marriage does and should have conditions. I have a friend, she tested her husband and he told her that he would never leave her no matter what, so you know what she did? She considered that to be a green light to become a serial cheater. Now she easily boinks younger studs (sometimes in their own bed) in secret behind his back because she knows that even if he found out he would not leave her. So this attitude is dangerous to have and to convey. It makes people get lazy and not work as hard as they can on the marriage and themselves to be the best person and spouse they can be. And being taken for granted can get really frustrating for some.
That, what you describe happens when a guy invests himself in a person/relationship that's just not worth it.
If anything, pressuring and forcing people to work more on a relationship is a sure way of disaster in the making and if there's any way the person can contribute to alienation and likelihood of cheating by their BF/GF or spouse - it's this kind of pressure. And they'll cheat to detach themselves easier in case of any conflict of splitting up.
This is not to say that sexual infidelity can ever be justified by anything else other than cheater's mentality/mindset, along with their upbringing and culture/friends mentality that happens to form the core of their personal reasoning and rationalization. And same applies to your friend. It's the mindset, nothing else, definitely not other person's exclamation ("I will nor leave no matter what").
So, while what you say about marriage and conditions IS common sense, the acrobstics done in bold part of your comment is a pure construction to justify what I guess is your personal attitude and reasoning.
Anyways - the reason why a guy would not share "info" you wanted is generally a sign that he thinks anything in that direction is more likely to cause distress and discomfort and that he probably thinks nothing good can come out of this discussion - or that he doesn't want/feel comfortable to talk about it with you (at least not at that moment)
I couldn't answer this question during the first year after my divorce. no closure at all. It appeared that it was because of a misunderstanding over her wanting kids and me saying not now because I was unemployed. I'll never know why one bad year of marriage (out of 50, conceivably) would make her leave without infidelity, abuse, or addiction. I will never know. Anyway, now when a woman asks, I can say without emotion that it was poor communication (mostly on my part) and explain all the work I've done on myself over the past decade to improve my communication with women so I never experience that pain again. Usually, this answer makes them swoon, especially when they see me being vulnerable.
A man who can admit where he messed up gets a lot of brownie points, as far as I'm concerned.
I think and even believe most men and women know why their wife or husband wanted to divorce them, but they say "I don't know" because they either want to live in denials or pretend to be innocent.
Any divorced guys here not know why their wife wanted to divorce? Just wondering how common this is. I'm thinking about my ex and he told me that his ex-wife left him and when I asked why she left he said "I don't know". Has this happened to any other divorced guy? You don't know why she left you?
There's people who think primarily in terms of 'love' and there's people who think primarily in terms of 'compatibility'.
Like ... you've heard of drug abusers who fight all the time saying ... 'but I love him/her.' Etc.
I think when anybody is EVER blindsided by a breakup or divorce that's not due to something spontaneous like cheating, etc, they're more squarely in the 'love' camp. I mean, you can be a little surprised, but also you should have expected it.
The downside of being in the 'compatibility' camp is that you're never surprised when the other shoe drops or are always thinking of dropping the shoe yourself ... and that can be bad.
A man who can admit where he messed up gets a lot of brownie points, as far as I'm concerned.
That's the slippery slope, you probably have scenarios you want to hear and scenarios that'd just not bring up anything constructive.
There are definitely some topics that both parties always want to know, yet there's a reason why other party thinks the opposite. They may pretend they didn't hear it, start the counter-attack if they feel (or know) that this discussion isn't a good sign or that any disclosure of "truth" might be used against them... So they actively start sabotaging the relationship with a onflixt in order to either escalate if you "don't care enough" or to break it irretrievably.
Generally speaking, it's a bad sign for a relationship (given that it's a serious one at that point) if either thing happens:
1. You can't talk about certain topics, or the other party thinks you are nor allowed to talk/know
2. You actually talk about it or you find out the truth the other way and you feel it affects the relationship in a bad manner, as if you were "cheated on/manipulatee" after finding out that piece of a puzzle at "this" stage of relationship
There's people who think primarily in terms of 'love' and there's people who think primarily in terms of 'compatibility'.
Like ... you've heard of drug abusers who fight all the time saying ... 'but I love him/her.' Etc.
I think when anybody is EVER blindsided by a breakup or divorce that's not due to something spontaneous like cheating, etc, they're more squarely in the 'love' camp. I mean, you can be a little surprised, but also you should have expected it.
The downside of being in the 'compatibility' camp is that you're never surprised when the other shoe drops or are always thinking of dropping the shoe yourself ... and that can be bad.
This is an awesome explanation. The best I've seen yet and I think you're right. My ex was in the "love" camp. I am in the "compatibility" camp so I don't understand it. I guess 'love' to them means 'we stay together no matter what, because.... love'. I really don't know what they are feeling though, I can't say it was some powerful love feeling or whatever. I just think they were most likely too comfortable.
When I met my husband, he was very honest about his mistakes in his marriages. He owned to his part. Cheating wasn't part of the equation in any of the marriages. I met my husband 19 years ago, and we're one month shy of 18 years being married.
Any divorced guys here not know why their wife wanted to divorce? Just wondering how common this is. I'm thinking about my ex and he told me that his ex-wife left him and when I asked why she left he said "I don't know". Has this happened to any other divorced guy? You don't know why she left you?
Honestly, I find this to be a dangerous attitude. It pretty much conveys that your partner can do anything and you won't ever leave them. I know how much men really love those traditional vows, but they are crap if you ask me. Marriage does and should have conditions. I have a friend, she tested her husband and he told her that he would never leave her no matter what, so you know what she did? She considered that to be a green light to become a serial cheater. Now she easily boinks younger studs (sometimes in their own bed) in secret behind his back because she knows that even if he found out he would not leave her. So this attitude is dangerous to have and to convey. It makes people get lazy and not work as hard as they can on the marriage and themselves to be the best person and spouse they can be. And being taken for granted can get really frustrating for some.
People don’t just wake up one day and suddenly become cheaters. Most grown people that cheat have had several violations in character in their past. Why even be friends with people that deliberately violate their spouse’s trust.
Real love will never have conditions. I know this is going to sound hard to believe since we’re in USA, where nobody gives a damn unless someone’s offering us something.
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