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Old 05-27-2008, 02:31 PM
 
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What you are seeing is the difference between being visually oriented and non-visually oriented (on a primary basis).

The reason why women give vague answers to the request for visual stimuli is because the visual stimulus is not the primary motivator in the female, as a general rule. Women can look at a guy and process that he is attractive, but it's not the looks attracting them in a vacuum, but a variety of factors working in tandem: projected confidence on the part of the male is just as important -- if not moreso -- than looks.

Speaking personally, I have many male friends. Most of them are quite young and attractive visually. And while I can process that my friends are attractive, I am not attracted to them sexually because of their looks. I have a platonic relationship based on shared interests, but the desire for physical connection is lacking because the "chemistry" isn't there.

On the other hand, my boyfriend is older (but still boyishly handsome, in his own way). While he probably would not win any beauty contests, I am attracted to my boyfriend because he is intelligent, interesting, and he makes me laugh! (My friends make me laugh, too, but it's not the same.)

While my boyfriend may have used visual cues to catch my interest, he is no doubt old enough to understand that the visual alone is not enough to catch a woman's attention. He knows that a woman needs more than her eyes to make a connection.

First off, like I said in the OP, I am not talking about resessions to be with a person, but initial attraction. What is love at first sight based on? You guessed it, sight. This applies to men and women equally. Some man will have a sense of "wow!" for every woman on Earth...one man might feel that for a woman with short hair, some for a woman with no hair, some men will have that feeling for large women, etc.

HOWEVER, a 5'2 inch balding man will never, EVER get that "wow" out of any woman. And yes, it also sucks for long term relationships...imagine how it would be for you to never have someone be physically intrested in you. You can be with them forever, love eachother, but no matter what you do, what you wear, how you act, your lover will never think that you're hot.

That is what I am talking about.
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Old 05-27-2008, 02:36 PM
 
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Women list funny, or "he made me laugh" as the number one attractive quality. Guy's just don't get all hot and bothered over Ruth Buzzy, or Rosanne no matter how much in stichs she's got you in. I agree you have this totally backwards. You are putting your attractions on everybody. If what you say is true then why are there no +plus size models in Maxims list???? And guys from every ethnicity, and local read maxim.

Are there any plus size models in Maxim? no. Why? because they are a mainstream publication and want the widest audience possible. HOWEVER, if you ever go to a porn store (as I have...only on a research basis) you will find porn with large women. Men who like big ladies might be a minority, but they are their.

Now, on the same hand, go look at some porn for women, i.e., those ridiculous Harlequin romance novels, next time you are in a Barnes and Nobles. Look at the covers...how many of them have a short, balding man on the front of them? NONE! It is always a tall man with a washboard stomach.

Now, porn, either in the form of DVDs for men or steamy novels for women, are a window into fantasies. Porn for men has as many niche markets as there are people on Earth, while those porn for women romance novels that are for and by women are all the same thing...tall, dark, and handsome.
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Old 05-27-2008, 02:39 PM
 
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Basically, its not that men have more varied tastes, its that men will *** anything.
FOR THE 15,000th TIME! I AM TALKING ABOUT MEN WHO GO AFTER BIG WOMEN BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE INTO!


Really...is reading comprehension that rare a thing in this day and age?
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Old 05-27-2008, 02:53 PM
 
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Now, porn, either in the form of DVDs for men or steamy novels for women, are a window into fantasies. Porn for men has as many niche markets as there are people on Earth, while those porn for women romance novels that are for and by women are all the same thing...tall, dark, and handsome.

Answer to your question: no, men do not have more varied taste. Women do.

Also loads of those romance covers have long-haired blonde Fabio types on them, I don't know where you're getting this idea at all.

I knew a guy in college that was 5'3". He was outgoing and confident, and had a cute face. He made the most of what he had, and he was VERY popular and never without a date. Get out there and try dating somebody and thinking about yourself and your insecurities less and I am sure you will find success.
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Old 05-27-2008, 03:15 PM
 
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Answer to your question: no, men do not have more varied taste. Women do.

Also loads of those romance covers have long-haired blonde Fabio types on them, I don't know where you're getting this idea at all.

I knew a guy in college that was 5'3". He was outgoing and confident, and had a cute face. He made the most of what he had, and he was VERY popular and never without a date. Get out there and try dating somebody and thinking about yourself and your insecurities less and I am sure you will find success.

Google the words: fat porn, MILF, hairy girls etc and you will see that men are sexually attracted to a brood spectrum of men...go to the local Barnes and Nobles and fine me one, repeat ONE romance novel that has a cover depicting anything other than a tall man with a washboard stomach.


Also, like I say, women can get over looks, HOWEVER, confidence, wit, being outgowing etc will not make up for the fact that a shorter, less attactive man will never make a woman swoon and will never turn a woman on. It is a recipe for disaster no matter how you slice it.
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Old 05-27-2008, 03:25 PM
 
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WTH???

VictorianPunk, are you ever not angry about something?
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Old 05-27-2008, 03:25 PM
 
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Google the words: fat porn, MILF, hairy girls etc and you will see that men are sexually attracted to a brood spectrum of men...go to the local Barnes and Nobles and fine me one, repeat ONE romance novel that has a cover depicting anything other than a tall man with a washboard stomach.


Also, like I say, women can get over looks, HOWEVER, confidence, wit, being outgowing etc will not make up for the fact that a shorter, less attactive man will never make a woman swoon and will never turn a woman on. It is a recipe for disaster no matter how you slice it.
No thanks, I'm not going to google porn!

Romance novels are a specific, highly formulaic genre. That doesn't mean that's what all women fantasize about. Give me a break. I'm your example right here. I don't like tall, overly muscle-bound men, or square-jawed men. I do read a romance novel from time to time, but NOT because of the cover picture of a man I find unattractive. As somebody else already said, women aren't all about visuals, so I can still read the book and enjoy it and ignore the hideous cover art.


This short guy I knew did make lots of women swoon, that's what I just said. Whatever, read what you want to. It seems to me that all these posts you've been making are about looking for excuses to continue not to try to get out there. That's OK, there's nothing wrong with being a bachelor your whole life.
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Old 05-27-2008, 03:40 PM
 
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WTH???

VictorianPunk, are you ever not angry about something?

Although it has nothing to do with what I am talking about, I saw this earlier today and it made me CRACK THE F^^^ UP!


YouTube - Whitest Kids - Hitler Rap

ROTFL!

Now that is one thing I am not angry about!...I see some girls up here with master-racey bodies
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Old 05-27-2008, 03:42 PM
 
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As somebody else already said, women aren't all about visuals, so I can still read the book and enjoy it and ignore the hideous cover art.

As I already said, a thousand times, women are not all about the visual, but that is one thing that they are about. And, for a short guy with acme, even if she likes him for other things, no woman will ever get hot over him...I am simply making a statement of fact.
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Old 05-27-2008, 03:55 PM
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HOWEVER, a 5'2 inch balding man will never, EVER get that "wow" out of any woman. And yes, it also sucks for long term relationships...imagine how it would be for you to never have someone be physically intrested in you. You can be with them forever, love eachother, but no matter what you do, what you wear, how you act, your lover will never think that you're hot.

That is what I am talking about.
Wow. There are plenty of sexy balding short men. You just need to have confidence and a personality. What about Telly Savalas who played Kojak or Danny DeVito? Mickey Rooney in his heyday dated all the hot actresses and he was short. Maybe they don't have as many female fans as George Clooney, but for the average regular person, all you need is ONE special person that finds you sexy.

And being attractive and appealing is also about the person you are inside. There have been studies done which prove that basically a plain person with a great personality will over time be viewed as more attractive than a really gorgeous person with an ugly stuck up personality. Maybe at first acquaintance, people will be drawn more to the more physically attractive person, but after some time and social interactions, people greatly prefer the company of those with a better personality, humour and who is kind.

So I've missed your post where you've described what you looked like, but as long as you have a good sense of humour and can make people laugh and feel good about themselves, they are going to like you a lot. As to physical attraction, men do just fine with having a sincere smile on their face, good hygiene and dressing not too radically (like too emo, goth or gangsta). I think from your posts, that you probably lack confidence with women and dress a little too edgy.

My boyfriend looks sort of like an unpolished Sean Moore (from NCIS) and maybe a little more overweight. But he has a great smile, makes me laugh and is really interesting to talk to. And he has good hygiene. lol But in this day and age of STD's, being seen as clean and germ-free is a real plus in the dating department. Being happy and easygoing is also important as no one wants to encourage a potential stalker or someone that will fall apart if things don't work out dating wise. Anyway, the average woman wouldn't consider my boyfriend a hottie, but I do, and several times a year, women do come up to him and flirt with him.
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