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Old 04-05-2009, 02:55 PM
 
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Look, dear, in meaningless exchanges one has to give up - it's always the smarter one because the other yapper keeps yapping forever. Hell will freeze over before somebody like you "intimidates" me. You're simply not worth my time.
This thread was a waste of my time. Buh bye all.
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Old 04-05-2009, 03:00 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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He answered, "After my daughters were born." I then asked, "And why was that?". He answered, "I realized that women are people too."

My point in posting this is that I see a lot of threads coming up about rating women's body parts and physical attributes. And I have to ask everybody here (men and women) if you truly think this is an okay thing to do? To dissect womens' bodies and categorize and idealize what is and is not attractive and/or acceptable in women, is degrading and demoralizing.

I know it's all in fun, and I doubt that most of you mean any harm. But regardless of intent, it IS disparaging toward women.

And it's funny because I am the first person to jump into a thread and condemn gay sex, smoking and illegal immigration (some of my biggest passions), but let's face it...these are issues that are genuine societal conflicts right now, so healthy debate about these issues is necessary in order to come to some sort of resolution, or at least some sort of concensus.

But is it really necessary to debate the ideal height of a woman, or the ideal size of her breasts, or color of her hair, or size of her butt?? I mean, is this a genuine issue that needs some sort of resolution for the benefit of society? Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it's wrong to have personal opinions about women's bodies; rather, I'm saying that to start actual polls to rate and discuss women's physical attributes is unncessary and demeaning.

Think about this. And feel free to jump in here and either support me or bash me good and let me have it. I welcome both types of responses. It's always good to subject ourselves to possible enlightenment by others.

And to the mods...this is not a trolling thread. I am not trying to stir up trouble. I'm just trying to start an insightful debate that might end up in doing some good.
I think a lot of men have that attitude, that its OK to screw around as much as possible, but it's a different when your talking about his sister or daughter.

I tend to agree with you I don't think it really does promote anything positive between the sexes to sit around and talk about breast size or whether a woman has a nice rear.

I'm not a big fan of being judged. That's probably why I don't post a picture of myself in my profile.

There does seem to be enough strife between the men and women without adding a cattle call, meat market type of atmosphere.
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Old 04-05-2009, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I hate to say this.. but I think this whole internet thing is a big cattle call. What it first started to be (informative) is not what it is. Not that I think that it is a bad thing.. but it sure isnt what it started out to be... I mean how many web sites cater to trying to get the "hook up"? Plenty.. talk about a meat market!!! Is it right that people constantly talk about breast size and what that hind end looks like? Naw, not really.. because in the end .. it isnt about what they look like.. its about how they are.. because we all know that in time looks fade.. you better be choosing someone for what they are inside and not outside.. you may wind up not liking either in the end...
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Old 04-05-2009, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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It's odd that you view me as a self-righteous zealot. I think the reality is that I intimidate you because I'm not the least bit hesitant to put people like you in your place. I did it in the smoking thread, and so now in this thread you're grasping at any opportunity to lash back at me. You really have nothing constructive to add here other than to insult me. Guess I'm strikng a few nerves in you.
And your question is?????
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Old 04-05-2009, 05:16 PM
 
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That is really sad and pathetic that it takes a man that long to realize that women are people and are worthy, valuable, and special.


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When we were dating, my husband and I were having a conversation about his alley-catting ways when he was in high school and college (meaning how he lived to "score" with as many women as he could, no matter how little he cared about them emotionally).

But being so obviously different today, with a profound respect and admiration for women, I asked him when he changed his attitude?

He answered, "After my daughters were born." I then asked, "And why was that?". He answered, "I realized that women are people too."
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Old 04-05-2009, 05:32 PM
 
Location: The Hall of Justice
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Oh, but won't you be cooking and ironing for your man later?

Lasagna, sure thing. Ironing, never!
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Old 04-05-2009, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Brentwood, TN
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When we were dating, my husband and I were having a conversation about his alley-catting ways when he was in high school and college (meaning how he lived to "score" with as many women as he could, no matter how little he cared about them emotionally).

But being so obviously different today, with a profound respect and admiration for women, I asked him when he changed his attitude?

He answered, "After my daughters were born." I then asked, "And why was that?". He answered, "I realized that women are people too."

My point in posting this is that I see a lot of threads coming up about rating women's body parts and physical attributes. And I have to ask everybody here (men and women) if you truly think this is an okay thing to do? To dissect womens' bodies and categorize and idealize what is and is not attractive and/or acceptable in women, is degrading and demoralizing.

I know it's all in fun, and I doubt that most of you mean any harm. But regardless of intent, it IS disparaging toward women.

And it's funny because I am the first person to jump into a thread and condemn gay sex, smoking and illegal immigration (some of my biggest passions), but let's face it...these are issues that are genuine societal conflicts right now, so healthy debate about these issues is necessary in order to come to some sort of resolution, or at least some sort of concensus.

But is it really necessary to debate the ideal height of a woman, or the ideal size of her breasts, or color of her hair, or size of her butt?? I mean, is this a genuine issue that needs some sort of resolution for the benefit of society? Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it's wrong to have personal opinions about women's bodies; rather, I'm saying that to start actual polls to rate and discuss women's physical attributes is unncessary and demeaning.

Think about this. And feel free to jump in here and either support me or bash me good and let me have it. I welcome both types of responses. It's always good to subject ourselves to possible enlightenment by others.

And to the mods...this is not a trolling thread. I am not trying to stir up trouble. I'm just trying to start an insightful debate that might end up in doing some good.

I believe you (and everyone else) is entitled to their opinions and should be able to express them. I may or may not agree with what you condemn, and you are certainly free to express yourself.

As far as the threads about women's height, size, butt width, they don't bother me one bit. I know in the real world that I'm living in everyday, men and women like different things, different types of people, and different shapes and sizes, nationalities, whatever. I've never sat home alone on a Saturday night, so I'm not really worried if so and so don't like my butt or my boobs. I'm happy with who and what I am. If a person is truly content with themselves, these things shouldn't get to you.
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Old 04-05-2009, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Wyoming
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I honestly never thought about stating my preferences for certain attributes as being degrading. I see the same questions about men, and I don't consider them degrading either. If I wait long enough to look at the poll results I'll find that somebody likes short, fat, bald older men.
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Old 04-05-2009, 09:20 PM
 
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I think a lot of people take themselves too seriously.

It's a sad day when you can't admire beauty or physical attributes. I don't see how that dehumanizes women. In fact quite the opposite.
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Old 04-05-2009, 09:30 PM
 
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I think a lot of people take themselves too seriously.

It's a sad day when you can't admire beauty or physical attributes. I don't see how that dehumanizes women. In fact quite the opposite.
Speaking as a generally serious individual who is seen as too serious by real-life friends... while I utterly agree with you that physical beauty/attributes can and should be admired, I'd also proffer that there is an all-too-oft blurred line between sincere admiration of female beauty and the objectification of women.

It's one thing to see a beautiful woman and think, "wow her eyes are beautiful," or, "she has shapely legs," or even, "her breasts are rich and full." It's another to see women with such traits as nothing more than ... things. Yet that's what many men do.

Pornography is probably the clearest example of how women are not treated as people. They're just machines whose purpose is to be ravished by men, and they are supposed to enjoy being ravished in rough and gruff ways.

Hey, I'm a hetero male. I'm no saint, and I've dated women in younger years solely because they were attractive; I noticed early on we weren't compatible, but I blinded myself to it, thinking that we "could" get along enough for a relationship, or that "ah I'm young it's not that serious." It's all fun and games until one party or both gets wounded - and sometimes the hurt and the pain can be more than emotional.

Again, don't misunderstand me. You present me with a Playboy centerfold smiling at me wearing provocative clothing, and if I tell you I won't smile or I will not like what I see, I'd be a liar. But I believe that once we normal mortal men reach a certain age, the games must end. Women should and must receive our respect just as we men deserve and want to receive their respect.
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