Meeting women in pubs and bars (friends, couple, clubs, looking)
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It may not be "your" strategy, but since you are promoting it, makes sense you should get called on it. It's a strategy founded on the deeply mysoginistic myth that women secretly enjoy being humiliated and treated like dirt, and that a path to a woman's vaggg... heart lies through a series of "playful" put-downs designed to destroy her self-esteem and make her feel dependent on some stranger's "approval". Newsflash: we don't like being treated like this anymore than you do. Think about how you would feel if a woman humiliated you in front of your friends. Would it instantly make you ignore her hairy moles and her portly figure and make you want to obtain her approval? Didn't think so. We are the same way. Being rude and stuck up where most men try to flatter doesn't make you "fresh" or "edgy" -- just makes you an [self-censored]. It's a pretty poor substitute for actual ability to make intelligent and lively conversation.
It wouldn't be out there if it did not work.
The strategy isn't for an average man nor an average woman. The man must be smooth and 100% fool proof and the woman must be an absolute babe. I mean really hot.
You can't apply that technique to an average girl. It wouldn't work.
So what does it take to meet a girl in a bar? How do you shed the fear and just approach? What do you say to her to break the ice ("Hey, I'm *blank,* What's your name? Where you from?" isn't working)? How do you maintain the confidence to speak to her without appearing nervous or jittery or desperate?
And how do you keep rejection from chipping away at your confidence for the rest of the night?
You have to know how to talk to people (not just necessarily women). First thing you need to do is avoid sentences that begin with personal pronouns like "I", "Me", "mine". Especially avoid beginning with the word "why".
Try to make the first thing she says to you is "Yes". This subconsciously gets her to open up to you and to be more receptive to your conversation.
Most of you are beating up on the OP. I guess he asked this question many times before? Still, if he is a decent man meeting a woman shouldn't have to be so difficult for him.
There is a reason 40% of births are illegitimate today. Many of the men that women instantly judge as "losers"were the same exact type of men in earlier eras who made good husbands and fathers and helped hold our civilization together. Today women reward the smooth players, that's why so many of them get "pumped and dumped" on a regular basis.
It may not be "your" strategy, but since you are promoting it, makes sense you should get called on it. It's a strategy founded on the deeply mysoginistic myth that women secretly enjoy being humiliated and treated like dirt, and that a path to a woman's vaggg... heart lies through a series of "playful" put-downs designed to destroy her self-esteem and make her feel dependent on some stranger's "approval". Newsflash: we don't like being treated like this anymore than you do. Think about how you would feel if a woman humiliated you in front of your friends. Would it instantly make you ignore her hairy moles and her portly figure and make you want to obtain her approval? Didn't think so. We are the same way. An attractive woman may be jaded by constant flattery, but that doesn't mean she is secretly longing to be treated like crap for a change. Being rude and stuck up where most men try to flatter doesn't make you "fresh" or "edgy" -- just makes you an [self-censored] where most others are losers. Would you rather be an orange or an apple? Doesn't matter, they are both fruit. Asshattery is just as poor a substitute for actual ability to make intelligent and lively conversation as groveling.
i am facinated by these descriptions. they explain in detail the rotten games played by one sex against another--- evil is genderless.
you could have been describing what women have done to me many times. same lousy game different sex. the trouble with giving evil a face is the devil is whoever happens to be standing closest to you.
Also, Redisca...you have a grown woman's point of view. I'm talking about young women like 21 years old. They are totally different than cougars. So the technique that I listed may seem off the wall and obnoxious to someone who is not into the 21 year old club scene but it is perfectly normal for someone who is. I'm not saying I am in that scene because I am not. But that is where that technique should be used and it would be successful. Obviously, the setting is key. It has to be a young, happening club, preferably on the west coast. Vegas or LA would be perfect for it. I don't think it would work as well in North Dakota...LOL...but women are women after all.
You say it is hard to go after the attractive girl because she has all these friends around. Wouldn't it make sense to hit on one of her friends in front of her? She would absolutely take interest in you wondering why you weren't fawning over her like most men do. She would wonder about you...think about you...you would be on her mind even if only for a split second when you weren't before. That can be your angle. Work the friend in order to get to her.
Although this could work it could also backfire really bad, why run the risk when it's totally unnecessary? What I mean is...if you want to use this 'strategy' WHY pick a girl solely to use to try to get another girl jealous? 1) That's viciously unfair to the first girl, and sooner or later she will f up your chances with the girl you're after, 2) you could succeed in getting the first girl interested in you and she could turn out to be a psycho! (There are other possible negative results but you get the point).
Instead, simply pick a girl that you think is also cute and who you would be happy getting to know as well. I know really hot girls often have ugly friends, but there's usually at least 1 other girl in the group that's not bad at all. If you do it this way then if the strategy fails to produce jealousy in the girl you're after, but your charms still work on the first girl, you can still have a good time.
You have to know how to talk to people (not just necessarily women). First thing you need to do is avoid sentences that begin with personal pronouns like "I", "Me", "mine". Especially avoid beginning with the word "why".
Try to make the first thing she says to you is "Yes". This subconsciously gets her to open up to you and to be more receptive to your conversation.
You have to know how to talk to people (not just necessarily women). First thing you need to do is avoid sentences that begin with personal pronouns like "I", "Me", "mine". Especially avoid beginning with the word "why".
Try to make the first thing she says to you is "Yes". This subconsciously gets her to open up to you and to be more receptive to your conversation.
What questions or openers could automatically force her to say "yes"?
Although this could work it could also backfire really bad, why run the risk when it's totally unnecessary? What I mean is...if you want to use this 'strategy' WHY pick a girl solely to use to try to get another girl jealous? 1) That's viciously unfair to the first girl, and sooner or later she will f up your chances with the girl you're after, 2) you could succeed in getting the first girl interested in you and she could turn out to be a psycho! (There are other possible negative results but you get the point).
Instead, simply pick a girl that you think is also cute and who you would be happy getting to know as well. I know really hot girls often have ugly friends, but there's usually at least 1 other girl in the group that's not bad at all. If you do it this way then if the strategy fails to produce jealousy in the girl you're after, but your charms still work on the first girl, you can still have a good time.
Again, I don't do these things in bars. I just know of them. The point is not to get into a relationship so #2 doesn't really matter. That technique is used for a sexual encounter only. It's not used to get a date. I'm just a lil ole white boy from middle america...I don't do these things. It's something that is done in Arizona or Cali for example.
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