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Old 12-20-2009, 08:51 AM
 
Location: West of the Rockies
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A moderation of muscles, whatever that may be, is attractive just like a big-chested woman. But both can be freakishly exaggerated and overdone. Once the biceps start to get closer to the size of your head, you should perhaps take a break from the gym, protein shakes, steroids, or whatever you're doing. But there is nothing wrong with having a slight muscle definition to your body. Just shows you take care of yourself.
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Old 12-20-2009, 08:53 AM
 
Location: West of the Rockies
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I know exactly what you are saying, sometimes I talk to the weights and I have pictured Arnold being my personal trainer when I am the gym. When I am done lifting, I feel like I am invincible and I could take of any of those guys and give them a good beating right there. I think I better stay off steroids because I have seen some episodes of "roid rage" and it was not funny, some dudes just fly off the handle over little things, no thanks!
Are you telling us you're taking steroids? I hope you're taking them legally under the guidance of a specialist. You may end up having other more serious problems besides looking like a freak.
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Old 12-20-2009, 09:04 AM
 
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But there IS a reason! I don't know anybody who goes to the gym for "no reason". The goal isn't to "lift heavy things at the gym" it's to strengthen and gain muscle, as well as myriad health benefits. If one merely wanted to "lift heavy things" they'd stay home and move furniture around.
Yeah, but anybody can get fit in other ways besides going to a Gym. Running, Swimming, Biking, or even having a non-sitting job that requires some physical endurance can get ya in shape!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think some dudes pump iron in the Gym just to show off, but I can see why they do it. Building strength helps a person look and feel better and that increases confidence.

I mean, having a flabby bod, a huge spare tire, or no Muscle tone isn't going to do much for a guy's self-image!!!!!!!
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Old 12-20-2009, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Corydon, IN
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I do have to poke in here again and point out something:

I'm reading through the thread and what I'm seeing is a LOT of flak being thrown at those who go to the gym and begin muscling up.

I'd just about guarantee that every single one of you who belittles the gym culture or keeps harping on about moderation while stating things which clearly demonstrate a goal far, far short of actual moderation (meaning making excuses for NOT going to the gym WHILE belittling gym culture) have never been especially fit in your life outside whatever natural fitness was bequeathed you by your now-gone or fading youth.

I spent years in the military regularly going to the gym. I'm older now and have gotten out of the military and my lifestyle has been terrible for the last several years for various reasons. In short, I've gotten downright fat and I'm fortunate to still pack some muscle underneath or I'd be a hideous blob.

During those years in the gym one of the most common things I ever heard from people was the following:

"I want to start going to the gym but I don't want to get huge, okay?"

Whenever I've trained someone I've heard that 100 percent of the time unless their goal WAS to get huge. Always.

Let's get something straight about the human physique here: While there are different body types with some more prone to easily acquiring muscle than others, you are NOT going to just explode with giant, water-bloated muscles of massive size, let alone the ripped-and-shredded physique of bodybuilders in contest shape. You're just NOT.

That takes years... and years... and years of devotion to the muscle-building school of thought. It's NOT going to happen just because you walk into a gym and do a few curls. If it was that easy Arnold wouldn't be Arnold, he'd be some aging Austrian somewhere in Austria.

And another thing I've seen over... and OVER and OVER again in the gym is someone who's told me they don't want to get huge, and about six weeks into training they're not seeing a LITTLE difference, they're starting to really take note -- and they LIKE what they see.

It doesn't take much at all by way of training, and NO encouragement whatsoever to get a trainee, man or woman, to pop that first double-bicep shot in the mirror because they've never seen themselves like that before and they are in BLISS.

A huge misconception people have about the mirrors in the gym is that they're for vanity's sake. While that is an unavoidable effect, the fact is that the mirror is your best friend in the gym, a useful tool for evaluation, an aid to proper, strict, SAFE form in the execution of exercises. It's also a psychological tool because the more you see yourself improving in the mirror, the more determination you achieve.

So all you folks who "hate" the gym culture, either A) get in there and try it for long enough to see whether you like it (I recommend 6 weeks, minimum for new gym-goers who have to learn their way around, get over the self-esteem and self-consciousness issues that come with a physical arena, learn the exercises and THEN have enough time to see some results) or B) stop criticizing something you know nothing about.
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Old 12-20-2009, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Tucson
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So all you folks who "hate" the gym culture, either A) get in there and try it for long enough to see whether you like it (I recommend 6 weeks, minimum for new gym-goers who have to learn their way around, get over the self-esteem and self-consciousness issues that come with a physical arena, learn the exercises and THEN have enough time to see some results) or B) stop criticizing something you know nothing about.
I've no desire to learn anything about this "culture"! Going to a gym 2 or 3 times a week, let's say, is something I can accept as a normal activity. Spending every waking minute there and getting depressed on the rare occasions it's closed is an obsession. Even putting looks completely aside, in terms of relationships being with such a person is no different than being with somebody who is married. Heck, married people probably can find more time for other things!

And just in case you wonder - I'm not a 300 lb blob and have no intention to become one.
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Old 12-20-2009, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Corydon, IN
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Clearly I'm not talking about exceptions. Would you like it if EVERY woman was labeled a radical feminist who wanted men dead, or a conniving gold digger, when obviously that's limited to certain extremes?

I miss the gym terribly, but even I wouldn't want to be married or hooked up to someone like you describe -- but that's NOT what gym culture is about. That belongs to a mostly separate, generally isolated group of people who are absolute devotees, giving up their external lives in pursuit of a sort of extremist version of what is nothing short of dysmorphia, just as extreme as that suffered by anorexics.

Just as an anorexic looks in the mirror and sees bone covered by a thin layer of fading skin and thinks "Fat", so a person with fitness-based dysmorphia always thinks "I could be bigger/harder/leaner if I just train right."


Back in college several years ago I was taking a Chinese class. I didn't know anyone in the city and kept to myself, being at the time rather more shy than I am today. Ergo, I entered class, did my work, have a talent for languages and so excelled, and then when class was over I left.

At the time I was also in the best shape of my life.

In this class were a couple of women in the class who later confessed that for the first three weeks of class they hated me. When I asked why, the first thing they said was "Well, you were all buffed out so we figured you were just an arrogant prick. When you were good at the language too that just drove the point home. And you weren't saying anything to anyone, which made it worse."

"I'm kind of shy," I said.

"We know that NOW."

"Did anyone say anything to me?" I asked.

"Of course not," they said.

"Why?"

"You were all buffed out! Why would they say anything to you?"


If you can tell me WTF in that exchange actually makes sense from their viewpoint, I'll completely concede that gym goers must automatically be full of themselves and that's all there is to it.
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Old 12-20-2009, 01:39 PM
 
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I have been going to the gym about 4-5 times a week lately. I mainly run but I do weights at least 3 times a week. Until about a year ago, my biceps and forearms were just average but for the last 3 months, they have developed a lot, although I am not yet ripped

One thing I have noticed is that, females at the gym give a lot of attention to muscular guys and I always catch some female watching me when I am doing my weights, even when I am not trying to impress anybody.

I just wanted to understand why so many women are attracted to muscular men? I mean, a lot of muscular guys at my gym are total douches, have no personalities, very self-centered, I even think some may be closet gays.

Is it because women feel secure when they see a muscular man or what?
It has nothing to do with personality. Everyone has a preference and you can't automatically just download personal info. and personality trait of an individual by looking at them. So, the first thing that draws two people together is physical attraction.

As for the muscle thing, my theory is that it's a primal thing. Women who are drawn to muscled men see those men as having the "right" traits, or at least a better chance of passing down their genetic line. Muscle = strength, physical fitness, health.

In some aspects, we're really not as evolved as we think we are. There's still a primal instinct in us. Our modern, more evolved side comes into play when we actually get to know the person and realize how much of a douche bag he/she really is.
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Old 12-20-2009, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Tucson
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Clearly I'm not talking about exceptions. Would you like it if EVERY woman was labeled a radical feminist who wanted men dead, or a conniving gold digger, when obviously that's limited to certain extremes?

I miss the gym terribly, but even I wouldn't want to be married or hooked up to someone like you describe -- but that's NOT what gym culture is about. That belongs to a mostly separate, generally isolated group of people who are absolute devotees, giving up their external lives in pursuit of a sort of extremist version of what is nothing short of dysmorphia, just as extreme as that suffered by anorexics.
Well, I certainly don't know much about this "culture," but based on what I hear on this forum many seem to think that 7-10+ (no idea about the limit) hours a week spent in a gym is something normal. That means 2 hours a day taking 10 as an average, excluding weekends. Of course, I exclude weekends to simplify the math... they probably don't. You tell me when you get to see this person at all! How do you travel with this person? How do you even take weekend getaways? They'd probably insist on staying in a hotel with a gym. Hey, perhaps gyms should be built along the rest stops so you can perhaps take some trips with your maniac! Thanks, but no thanks. I'd be perfectly happy with somebody with less than perfect body who can actually go out with me and do things. Like anything else, to each their own, but I'm not about to worship at the shrine of somebody's body.
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Old 12-20-2009, 01:51 PM
 
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Well, I certainly don't know much about this "culture," but based on what I hear on this forum many seem to think that 7-10+ (no idea about the limit) hours a week spent in a gym is something normal. That means 2 hours a day taking 10 as an average, excluding weekends. Of course, I exclude weekends to simplify the math... they probably don't. You tell me when you get to see this person at all! How do you travel with this person? How do you even take weekend getaways? They'd probably insist on staying in a hotel with a gym. Hey, perhaps gyms should be built along the rest stops so you can perhaps take some trips with your maniac! Thanks, but no thanks. I'd be perfectly happy with somebody with less than perfect body who can actually go out with me and do things. Like anything else, to each their own, but I'm not about to worship at the shrine of somebody's body.
Just get a workin man and be done with it! Besides most of us get paid to build that muscle.
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Old 12-20-2009, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Tucson
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Just get a workin man and be done with it! Besides most of us get paid to build that muscle.
Well, I didn't think this group was even a topic of this discussion. I'm not likely to cross paths with it at all anyway.
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