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Old 01-15-2010, 06:00 AM
 
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Keep trying, mehhh. I'm simply translating for you.
You're desperately clinging onto cliche's and personal insults while being trampled all over. I suppose that's a translation of a sort.
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You can find it in your subs pretty easily. The laziness will only go so far; enough of the google monkey bating already. Either way, you made assertions of physiological differences to account for intellectual disparities between the races, without a lick of evidence on your part (outside the goofiness that comprises the Bell Curve), which was challenged by one simple link. A rebuttal does not need to be all-encompassing when the initial argument is weak; it was, it is, and it seems that it will remain so.
This is a common problem- you want a study to say "women suck: here is the data." Otherwise, my argument is weak. The general course of human history that clearly shows the accomplishments of women vs men to be incredibly pathetic, bordering on irrelevancy. The fact that women can't do math and science are just irrelevant asides to you, naturally. You can't see what is in front of your nose without a university funded study to give you baby-steps. Everything short is irrelevant subjectivity.

Liberal arts major, correct?
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When your only options confine you to the bleachers, your argument might hold water. Obviously, we're not speaking of non-players.


Yes, of course this is the case because another man^10 says it's the case. Sorry, that's about as boring as can be. The sentiment has been regurgitated so many times that it's lost it's form. eta: Another thing to keep in mind is that you will receive responses based on what you post. It's silly to complain about yawning readers when your script renders it.
Again with your implication that unoriginal=poor form. I don't know how many different ways I can explain to you that this misses the point entirely. To dismiss the resoundingly obvious intellectual disparities in math and science as being merely boring to you encapsulates our discussion.
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An no, he was not fired. He promptly received a raise..
Oh please, he was pressured out. You really want to nit-pick the terminology on record?
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This was followed by a reckoning, and rightly so.
Naturally. What arrogance and disdain for women one must have to speculate as to why women can't keep up in the most important fields in all of academia. It couldn't be that they don't have a capacity for it. Must be chauvinism embedded into the language of science, or something.

Right? Right.
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Old 01-15-2010, 06:03 AM
 
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I am sorry and am not really trying to be rude....you are entitled to your opinion of women, as unrealistic as it may be hence NOT all women are as you described.

Perhaps, I misunderstood....for if you were a "dude with self-made money, academic success and a string of sexual trophies almost of as long as -well, long"...then I just am honestly wondering

why you would choose to spend your time (if you actually had self-made money - wouldn't you be interested in making more money, spending time researching potential investments OR is it that you are a very lonely person filled with bitterness and you're just looking for some sympathy&/or compassion) -

sexual trophies ...now that puzzles me. I find it difficult to believe that a woman would be interested in sex with you unless you are paying them for it (I say that only because you are so bitter toward our gender and there are some women that will have sex no matter how much they despise the man - but he has to pay A LOT of money)
AND if you have - a string of sexual trophies...again I wonder why you are on CD


Why would you want to waste your valuable (time is worth money if your any type of business entrepreneur); academic success (your intelligence) and sexual encounter time on US??? For apparently, we can't be saved by your words and you render us worthless.

My observation and psychological evaluation is this: your mother treated you very badly as a child, which was the beginning of your anger management issues with women. She either wasn't around at all; abandon you or you were ill-treated by her. Nonetheless, it has scared you for life. I would recommend seeking a counselor on the issue. You are still a young lad and there may still be hope for you. Either way...I wish you the best.
I dabble in internet forums because anonymity allows for a more robust discussion on petty(but interesting) subjects such as the intellectual disparity between men and women. I like this place because I like to travel, and so naturally the meat of the forum is interesting to me.

Also, my mom rules, Sigmund.
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Old 01-15-2010, 06:23 AM
 
Location: The Hall of Justice
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Mehhh, I think it has escaped your notice that while men have accomplished the best of things, they have accomplished the worst of things. Tyrants, warmongers, despots, rapists, slavers, serial killers, terrorists, thugs: most of the baddies are men (don't take that backward, please). The flip side of your capacity for great things is your capacity for worse things. You wax on about the wonderful accomplishments of men and the mediocrity of women. Okay, but please also take into account the truly hideous and deplorable things that men also do, because throughout history and as a whole, you have a much greater ability for violence and misdeeds than we women do. You push the bell curve both ways.

My belief is that it has something to do with how a male embryo develops. Male fetuses have to mutate several times to transform themselves from the female state, and I think the tendency to push boundaries is just innate in you.
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Old 01-15-2010, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Outside always.
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You are also making claims that don't hold water. There are many women who are sucessful mathematicians and scientists. Where have you been? What century are you living in? Have you never been to a woman doctor? Never been to the hospital and been treated by females? Just because someone has an isolated experience where THEY believe the women were not as accomplished does not make it a universal fact or even a fact at all. I have been in workplaces where if you listened to the men, they were responsible for everything that was accomplished. However, if you watched quietly, you would see that the women that were working rather than blowing their own horns were the ones getting the most done. I am sure every workplace is different, but this thread is insulting and sexist.
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Old 01-15-2010, 07:23 AM
 
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You're desperately clinging onto cliche's and personal insults while being trampled all over. I suppose that's a translation of a sort.
A. I suggest you invest in a dictionary. B. You're doing it again. If you don't like the responses given, than it would be wise to consider the content of your posts or lack thereof.

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This is a common problem- you want a study to say "women suck: here is the data." Otherwise, my argument is weak. The general course of human history that clearly shows the accomplishments of women vs men to be incredibly pathetic, bordering on irrelevancy. The fact that women can't do math and science are just irrelevant asides to you, naturally. You can't see what is in front of your nose without a university funded study to give you baby-steps. Everything short is irrelevant subjectivity.
History clearly shows oppression. Women can't do math and science? I have to leave for work in a couple of minutes. I'll be sure to remind all of the women in my lab that they cannot do math and science and they should go home.

If you have the time....

Some Reflections on the Dearth of Women in Science; A Talk by Ben Barres#

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Liberal arts major, correct?
lol One of my undergrad majors was a social science, but sorry, I'm a chemist.

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Again with your implication that unoriginal=poor form. I don't know how many different ways I can explain to you that this misses the point entirely. To dismiss the resoundingly obvious intellectual disparities in math and science as being merely boring to you encapsulates our discussion. Oh please, he was pressured out. You really want to nit-pick the terminology on record?
See the vid above.

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Naturally. What arrogance and disdain for women one must have to speculate as to why women can't keep up in the most important fields in all of academia. It couldn't be that they don't have a capacity for it. Must be chauvinism embedded into the language of science, or something.

Right? Right.
It's called laziness on your part and his. Let me tell you, if/when you leave school and decide to actually work as a scientist, laziness is not going to cut it. Off the cuff remarks, based on your biased interpretation, without investigation will not fly.

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Old 01-15-2010, 07:26 AM
 
Location: NJ
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In grad school, I worked very closely for hours on end with a small circle of women. These women were from upper-class backgrounds, were reasonably intelligent and are today doing very well for themselves financially across the board. They have pretty faces and lots of Facebook friends, suave condo's or houses, dopey (but providing) husbands and 2.2 kids. You know- The Dream. This is why they had such an impression on me; these are considered to be the women most strive to be, if my social understanding is at all correct.

And yet, the unrelenting pettiness. The seething self-hatred and insecurity that drove almost every thought, even to the degree that it was subconscious. The back-stabbing amongst each other. How none of them- literally none- could hold off on speaking ill about the woman who had just left the room five minutes prior. "I don't want to be mean, she's my friend, but..." Pathetic. That type of stuff simply doesn't exist in mass amongst male friendships. Say what you will about macho tendencies that manifest into violence, but IMO male relationships tend to be much more grounded. Much more real.

If I'm totally honest, my personal relationships with women, aside from my mother (the relationship is really irrelevant as per obvious bias)have lead me to become beyond cynical on the whole. I intuitively view women as lesser, morally and intellectually, while trying to correct my instinct. I've never met a woman in my life who I honestly, genuinely thought had done the psychological work required to be happy enough with herself and society to realize any semblance of true happiness or generosity. I've never met a woman who has done the tough work required, during The Climb, to learn about herself or human nature to the degree I have. Pretentious? Gross? Probably. The beauty of anonymity shines through again!

I think a lot of men feel this way, but are blinded by biologically-induced allegiance to their mothers good name, or by the similarly distracting charms of sexuality.

I don't think my instinct is wrong here, but it's a poor way to lead your life for selfish reasons. I'm working hard at finding new avenues of worth in the opposite sex beyond, well, sex. It's trying.

I feel better getting that out, heh. I'm 24. Lotsa' time to figure it out, I guess.
I don't know what would happen if there was no facebook. Or if I had a facebook and my friends list was small and people didn't leave comments.

MY WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!!!!!
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Old 01-15-2010, 08:17 AM
 
Location: The cupboard under the sink
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I can't help but wonder how a little boy's observations of a small group of women has lead to a full scale, multi page battle of the sexes ?
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Old 01-15-2010, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I'll be sure to tell my fellow female docs, my PhD pals (nuclear physics, plasma physics, mathematics, etc, etc) how bad women are in math and science.
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Old 01-15-2010, 08:02 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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You wanna talk success?
You just went out of your way to prove something to someone who doesn't give a crap, is trolling you for a reaction, and having a laugh at your expense as a result. This guy "meeh" isn't even a prolific poster, he's here to mess with people plain and simple. You played right into his hands, good job.


And angelfish70 must be the resident message board psychologist! I really do have a great laugh when people write pseudo-intellectual posts to try and sound smart........

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Old 01-15-2010, 08:16 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I'm with you. I have a pretty low opinion of women, myself. Starting with my own financially and parentally incompetant, man-hating mother who did not teach me assertiveness and damaged my self-esteem. . And then continuing with the obnoxious, immature females that I work with in a supermarket's deli/bakery. I like them best in porn, which is my only experience with them.
LOL, I hope this post is fake, if not then I am surprised you would admit to this
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