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Charles Darwin, the father of evolutionary biology was skeptical of evolutionary psychology like you are promoting.
Evolutionary psychology sees women as monogamous and men as polygamous, due to genetics, when in reality it has a whole lot more to do with social structure and culture.
The fact that women have since the beginning of time, until just very recently, needed the protection of men to survive is not debateable.
But since that EXAMPLE doesn't seem to satisfy you, please do this exercise. Google: "Study shows men..." and take your pick. You'll see a lot of studies that show "natural traits of men" that you may not like.
The point here is not that men are promiscuous. The point is to show that anyone can use that "it's in our nature" cop out to justify their outdated beliefs. It's basically saying "I'm an animal, I can't help it if I'm gold digger."
Besides, women no longer need the protection of men to survive so they should not rely on men, plain and simple.
But since that EXAMPLE doesn't seem to satisfy you, please do this exercise. Google: "Study shows men..." and take your pick. You'll see a lot of studies that show "natural traits of men" that you may not like.
The point here is not that men are promiscuous. The point is to show that anyone can use that "it's in our nature" cop out to justify their outdated beliefs. It's basically saying "I'm an animal, I can't help it if I'm gold digger."
Besides, women no longer need the protection of men to survive so they should not rely on men, plain and simple.
We'll just have to agree to disagree my friend
I am happy to "rely" on my man all day every day - and he wouldn't have it any other way either.
Charles Darwin, the father of evolutionary biology was skeptical of evolutionary psychology like you are promoting.
That's because it was successfully repressed in Victorian times.
Starting in the late 1960s, for women, the lid came completely off the repression and we now have an environment that is closer to the times before civilization created all these structures and sanctions to prevent people from doing what their primal instinctual urges dictated.
Men did not obtain the same freedoms, partly because they still had to maintain societal standards to have even a much reduced success in breeding and partly because the feminist movement successfully lobbied for many new laws to control their behavior.
Some day, men may get organized and demand reciprocity. Or our society may collapse. Many men are predicting the latter but I'm not one of them. When the costs become too high, there will be a natural swing of the pendulum to get behaviors and their costs under control.
I am happy to "rely" on my man all day every day - and he wouldn't have it any other way either.
Whatever floats your boat. I don't care. You chose to "rely" on a man, fine. Enjoy it.
But don't say most women are that way because that's how nature design them just to feel better about your own decisions. That excuse is waaaaay overused these days. Like you said, Darwin was skeptical of biological determinism. And women viewing males as providers remains a largely socially induced concept that's being deconstructed fast with women advances in the labour market.
That's because it was successfully repressed in Victorian times.
Starting in the late 1960s, for women, the lid came completely off the repression and we now have an environment that is closer to the times before civilization created all these structures and sanctions to prevent people from doing what their primal instinctual urges dictated.
Men did not obtain the same freedoms, partly because they still had to maintain societal standards to have even a much reduced success in breeding and partly because the feminist movement successfully lobbied for many new laws to control their behavior.
Some day, men may get organized and demand reciprocity. Or our society may collapse. Many men are predicting the latter but I'm not one of them. When the costs become too high, there will be a natural swing of the pendulum to get behaviors and their costs under control.
I didn't realize civilization began with the Victorian age
Some of you guys really love finding all kinds of ways to blame women for all your own problems.
Life would be so much smoother if men and women learned to embrace their differences - to celebrate that we each offer one another things we need - to work together instead of working against one another. Those of us in succesful relationships already do this, you should try it too!
Because women work and all that, I let them show me their independence by taking me out just like I take them out. It works pretty good.
I don't ask men out at the beginning. I let men be men by approaching me. I don't like chasing a men, it is kind of against nature. Men love to pursue... even though they will deny it forever.
I didn't realize civilization began with the Victorian age
Some of you guys really love finding all kinds of ways to blame women for all your own problems.
Life would be so much smoother if men and women learned to embrace their differences - to celebrate that we each offer one another things we need - to work together instead of working against one another. Those of us in succesful relationships already do this, you should try it too!
Amen. It's comical. There are so many women out there willing to pay a man's way, SO many, to their own detriment. Add to this the women who are AFRAID to let a man pay and others who are just too independent to allow it. SO many for these men to choose from. They know these women exist, they're just peeved that ALL women don't do it. Amazing, this overtone of entitlement. The hallmark of misogyny.
Amen. It's comical. There are so many women out there willing to pay a man's way, SO many, to their own detriment. Add to this the women who are AFRAID to let a man pay and others who are just too independent to allow it. SO many for these men to choose from. They know these women exist, they're just peeved that ALL women don't do it.
Whatever floats your boat. I don't care. You chose to "rely" on a man, fine. Enjoy it.
But don't say most women are that way because that's how nature design them just to feel better about your own decisions.
I don't see where that was the case in her posts. Men have played the role of the provider for ages, that is not debatable. Whether it is DNA or not, it is what society has lived by. As such, it is no shocker that this is what is expected from both men and women, even now. That doesn't excuse the abuse of these roles. I mean in a reasonable sense.
I can say that it has been that way in my family up until my generation so I have no problem with him doing it and I have no problem with being the provider at home. In fact, I prefer to be in that role, a role that so many refer to as mooching and, in the other direction, slaving. My reality is that it is neither.
Either way, with the statement above, are you implying that she should feel bad about her decisions to the point of "justifying"?
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