Ladies what is your defenition of a Gentleman? (loyalty, responsible, serious)

[onihC]

Exactly, common courtesy has no gender. I don't see why women can't offer chivalry to men as well.

If we are going to accept chivalry then why not accept racism as well?

[Gudra]

I like to tell the men ''gentlemen first '' when getting out of a lift or the door .That ALWAYS throws them off and they insist I go first .) Only twice or thrice have they dared to- even after I repeat myself- and ONLY because they were in a major hurry (punctuality is Godliness here).Maybe because the women here are aggresive .

[onihC]

Originally Posted by Gudra

I like to tell the men ''gentlemen first '' when getting out of a lift or the door .That ALWAYS throws them off and they insist I go first .) Only twice or thrice have they dared to- even after I repeat myself- and ONLY because they were in a major hurry (punctuality is Godliness here).Maybe because the women here are aggresive .

See, the thing is that men are taught from an early age that a real man does all kinds of things for a woman. Parents teaching their sons to do all those things for a woman or they won't be considered a gentleman and so on. It's a western thing to grow up with that kind of tradition up to a point that men feel emasculated if they don't do those things or they won't score with a girl if they don't treat her way up in that priviledged level that women get (chivalry). Men like the ones you mentioned feel bad for "not fulfilling their role as a gentleman" sine society pressures men to do so.

Still, I find chivalry utterly sexist and discriminatory unless women offered it as well. As sexist as saying that women belong in the kitchen. As bad as racism.

[fleetiebelle]

Still, I find chivalry utterly sexist and discriminatory unless women offered it as well. As sexist as saying that women belong in the kitchen. As bad as racism.

Then don't practice chivalry. Practice common courtesy and respect, which is genderless.

[onihC]

Originally Posted by fleetiebelle

Then don't practice chivalry. Practice common courtesy and respect, which is genderless.

Would you practice chivalry towards men? I am not talking about giving them a smile, greeting men, etc. I am talking about the whole chivalry package. I find it interesting how women love chivalry but don't do anything to offer it as well. Still, chivalry went as far as having men look bad if they don't act that way towards women. So you have men who are pressured to be that way just like the scene that Gudra mentioned.

[fleetiebelle]

You are really hung up on chivalry. Actual chivalry is an outdated medieval concept. I don't expect a man to lay his jacket over a mud puddle so I don't dirty my shoe or go off on a crusade to prove his worthiness. I do expect men to treat me (treat everyone, actually) with respect, courtesy, and thoughtfulness, and I (and everyone else) should do the same.

[princesasabia]

A man who wont curse every 5 seconds in my presence, he holds open doors, pulls out my chair, who has manners and is considerate.

[cricket_factor]

A gentleman is a man who makes the effort to rise from his seat and stand when meeting you, and shakes your hand warmly.

[undertheironsea]

I am the classic gentleman--I provide a courtesy flush.

[onihC]

Originally Posted by fleetiebelle

You are really hung up on chivalry. Actual chivalry is an outdated medieval concept. I don't expect a man to lay his jacket over a mud puddle so I don't dirty my shoe or go off on a crusade to prove his worthiness. I do expect men to treat me (treat everyone, actually) with respect, courtesy, and thoughtfulness, and I (and everyone else) should do the same.

So you do find it pointless for men to stand up when you go to the ladies room and stand back up when you come back, and do all the other things that have been mentioned here, right? I do. It makes no sense specially if women are not willing to offer it exactly the same way.