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Old 06-01-2010, 10:27 PM
 
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Ok, ok I get it. Basically I have no hope of ever being accepted into a Jewish religious community, even if I lived by their rules and shared the same moral values... damn my bloodline. :P

To return to the OP's question, I guess the answer would be... tell the hypothetical person in your hypothetical situation... DON'T DO IT!

Well, I don't agree with that - when someone converts and is very serious about living the Jewish faith I think other Jews have a lot of respect for that and DO accept that person.

You just can't expect to date a Jewish man without being Jewish yet yourself and expect his mother to be happy!
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Old 06-01-2010, 10:29 PM
 
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Well, I don't agree with that - when someone converts and is very serious about living the Jewish faith I think other Jews have a lot of respect for that and DO accept that person.

You just can't expect to date a Jewish man without being Jewish yet yourself and expect his mother to be happy!
They do. I know someone who converted into Judaism after a dedicated journey. Whether or not she is happy following this religion remains unknown.
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Old 06-01-2010, 10:29 PM
 
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Don't worry. I'm not accepted by a Jewish religious community either. I'm
a "damned outcast who believes in false Messiah".
I was just about to ask you about this

When you married your Italian (Catholic?) husband was there any guilt on your part, even just a tiny bit, that you were letting the whole Jewish community down?
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Old 06-01-2010, 10:34 PM
 
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I was just about to ask you about this

When you married your Italian (Catholic?) husband was there any guilt on your part, even just a tiny bit, that you were letting the whole Jewish community down?
Well, it was a little bit different for me, because I was agnostic when I married him and didn't really belong to a Jewish community. My dad loves my husband so he was happy that I found someone who loves and cares for me so much. I think he always wished for a Jewish husband for me, but it just didn't work out that way.
I didn't feel any guilt, because I didn't personally believe in what Judaism has to say about this whole thing.

I was pissed when after me being married for 6 years or so, my good friend told me that I screwed up the Jewish bloodline. That all my ancestors before me were 100% Jewish and I screwed it up. I told her to "f**k off" and she never forgave me for that.
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Old 06-01-2010, 10:38 PM
 
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Well, it was a little bit different for me, because I was agnostic when I married him and didn't really belong to a Jewish community. My dad loves my husband so he was happy that I found someone who loves and cares for me so much. I think he always wished for a Jewish husband for me, but it just didn't work out that way.
I didn't feel any guilt, because I didn't personally believe in what Judaism has to say about this whole thing.

I was pissed when after me being married for 6 years or so, my good friend told me that I screwed up the Jewish bloodline. That all my ancestors before me were 100% Jewish and I screwed it up. I told her to "f**k off" and she never forgave me for that.

Not defending your friend (it wasn't any of her business) but did you at least get the point she was making? I understand that Jewish bloodline is very important to most Jews.
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Old 06-01-2010, 10:39 PM
 
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Well, it was a little bit different for me, because I was agnostic when I married him and didn't really belong to a Jewish community. My dad loves my husband so he was happy that I found someone who loves and cares for me so much. I think he always wished for a Jewish husband for me, but it just didn't work out that way.
I didn't feel any guilt, because I didn't personally believe in what Judaism has to say about this whole thing.

I was pissed when after me being married for 6 years or so, my good friend told me that I screwed up the Jewish bloodline. That all my ancestors before me were 100% Jewish and I screwed it up. I told her to "f**k off" and she never forgave me for that.
It is attitudes like that that really turn me off to organized religions. People should spend more time actually walking the walk and not being so judgmental.

Being pious seems to be the norm for a lot of people who practice any religion.

No offense to those who don't act like this.
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Old 06-01-2010, 10:43 PM
 
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Not defending your friend (it wasn't any of her business) but did you at least get the point she was making? I understand that Jewish bloodline is very important to most Jews.

I understood her point, but I just got confused with the timing. This whole time, through the engagement, wedding, marriage, she was near by. It made me think that she was thinking this the whole time and dissaproving and never said anything. She chose the worst most vulnerable time to bring this up to me.
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Old 06-01-2010, 10:45 PM
 
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I understood her point, but I just got confused with the timing. This whole time, through the engagement, wedding, marriage, she was near by. It made me think that she was thinking this the whole time and dissaproving and never said anything. She chose the worst most vulnerable time to bring this up to me.
Oh, that sucks

Sounds kind of two-faced for sure!
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Old 06-01-2010, 10:45 PM
 
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It is attitudes like that that really turn me off to organized religions. People should spend more time actually walking the walk and not being so judgmental.

Being pious seems to be the norm for a lot of people who practice any religion.

No offense to those who don't act like this.
What killed me is that she was one step away from doing the same thing. She was heavily involved with a non-Jewish man for years and they almost got married. It never crossed her mind that it would be wrong for her bloodline.
Suddenly now that she got married to a religious Jew she felt the need to pass judgements.

Thanks Chow.
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Old 06-01-2010, 10:49 PM
 
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Sorry, sounds like a terrible friend. :P Can't always blame the religion for a person's behavior.
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