Naked Adam and naked Eve (souls, genesis, bible, quote)
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OK,so I had this thought.The Bible we are supposed to take literally tells us that Adam and Eve were created naked,lived together naked without shame,and then after eating the apple realized they were naked and hid from God in shame.But here's the thing.God created A&E naked and obviously had no issues with them being naked,but God also must be the one who created the Tree of Knowledge and planted it in the Garden of Eden (if you believe in the Garden,but that's another thread) and put the knowledge that being naked is shameful in the apple.So here is the conflict.If God thought nakedness was evil and shameful,then why leave A&E buck naked and co-habitating?If God was OK with a naked man and woman running around the Garden,then why put knowledge in the apple that nakedness is shameful?God is both the one who left A&E naked and enjoyed their company while they were naked,and the one who made the Tree that caused A&E to realize that nudity was (supposedly) shameful.
OK,so I had this thought.The Bible we are supposed to take literally tells us that Adam and Eve were created naked,lived together naked without shame,and then after eating the apple realized they were naked and hid from God in shame.But here's the thing.God created A&E naked and obviously had no issues with them being naked,but God also must be the one who created the Tree of Knowledge and planted it in the Garden of Eden (if you believe in the Garden,but that's another thread) and put the knowledge that being naked is shameful in the apple.So here is the conflict.If God thought nakedness was evil and shameful,then why leave A&E buck naked and co-habitating?If God was OK with a naked man and woman running around the Garden,then why put knowledge in the apple that nakedness is shameful?God is both the one who left A&E naked and enjoyed their company while they were naked,and the one who made the Tree that caused A&E to realize that nudity was (supposedly) shameful.
So what gives?
I don't think Adam was ashamed felt he was being sinful by being naked. I just don't think he wanted God to see him naked. To me, Adam's and Eve's nakedness is symbolic of their sexual innocence. If you pay attention to the sequence of events in Genesis, there is no mention of Adam and Eve being sexually intimate until after they ate the forbidden fruit and were cast out of the Garden. Their nakedness was not a sin and I don't think they saw it as a sin. They were just like little children who, up to a certain age, think nothing of seeing one another naked. At a certain point, they become self-conscious about having anyone see them undressed. I don't believe Adam and Eve would have had children until after they became aware of their nakedness. It wasn't that they didn't have the right "equipment." They were just unaware of their sexuality until they ate the forbidden fruit.
I don't think Adam was ashamed felt he was being sinful by being naked. I just don't think he wanted God to see him naked. To me, Adam's and Eve's nakedness is symbolic of their sexual innocence. If you pay attention to the sequence of events in Genesis, there is no mention of Adam and Eve being sexually intimate until after they ate the forbidden fruit and were cast out of the Garden. Their nakedness was not a sin and I don't think they saw it as a sin. They were just like little children who, up to a certain age, think nothing of seeing one another naked. At a certain point, they become self-conscious about having anyone see them undressed. I don't believe Adam and Eve would have had children until after they became aware of their nakedness. It wasn't that they didn't have the right "equipment." They were just unaware of their sexuality until they ate the forbidden fruit.
I dunno Kat....Adam, a full grown man NOT paying attention to the naked chick would make him like gay or something! Lol! I'm sorry but little kids actually do have sexual tendencies (not in a perverted way though) so I'm guessing that A&E were all hormonal and noticing things also. And besides that, sex was NOT a sin at the time! The only rule they had was to not eat the fruit. They could be having sex day and night with each other and the sheep and it was not a sin. Right? Right! I mean after all, Adam was a guy and how do I put this without getting in trouble....he probably was sticking "it" in different places just like a little boy would do!
I don't think Adam was ashamed felt he was being sinful by being naked. I just don't think he wanted God to see him naked. To me, Adam's and Eve's nakedness is symbolic of their sexual innocence. If you pay attention to the sequence of events in Genesis, there is no mention of Adam and Eve being sexually intimate until after they ate the forbidden fruit and were cast out of the Garden. Their nakedness was not a sin and I don't think they saw it as a sin. They were just like little children who, up to a certain age, think nothing of seeing one another naked. At a certain point, they become self-conscious about having anyone see them undressed. I don't believe Adam and Eve would have had children until after they became aware of their nakedness. It wasn't that they didn't have the right "equipment." They were just unaware of their sexuality until they ate the forbidden fruit.
Self consciousness about nudity comes from being taught that it is "not right".The only way for them to have moved from being completely comfortable with their nudity as God created them to a state of self consciousness about it was to have that knowledge imparted to them from an outside source.In this case the fruit.So why did God put knowledge that nudity was something to hide in the fruit when He created them nude and put them in the garden together nude?
OK,so I had this thought.The Bible we are supposed to take literally tells us that Adam and Eve were created naked,lived together naked without shame,and then after eating the apple realized they were naked and hid from God in shame.But here's the thing.God created A&E naked and obviously had no issues with them being naked,but God also must be the one who created the Tree of Knowledge and planted it in the Garden of Eden (if you believe in the Garden,but that's another thread) and put the knowledge that being naked is shameful in the apple.So here is the conflict.If God thought nakedness was evil and shameful,then why leave A&E buck naked and co-habitating?If God was OK with a naked man and woman running around the Garden,then why put knowledge in the apple that nakedness is shameful?God is both the one who left A&E naked and enjoyed their company while they were naked,and the one who made the Tree that caused A&E to realize that nudity was (supposedly) shameful. So what gives?
What is written in the Bible is symbolic. Adam and Eve were created as spiritual beings and they had spiritual powers that we don't have today because they abused them... they had this idea in their heads that they could be as God is... immortal even. They had a very close relationship with Him and He told them that in order for them to become immortal they must do one thing... and that is to receive His Divine Love in their souls... but they pooh-poohed His invitation and, basically, told Him to go take a hike. Because our Heavenly Father knows best... and He basically told them it's either my way or the highway... so let's just say they gambled and they lost.
Not sure if you ever saw my video, but this explains exactly what happened and the consequences of their fall... which was a fall from no longer were they spiritual beings, but were human with animal natures and appetites... and it was they who created sin and evil by the decision they made.
What is written in the Bible is symbolic. Adam and Eve were created as spiritual beings and they had spiritual powers that we don't have today because they abused them... they had this idea in their heads that they could be as God is... immortal even. They had a very close relationship with Him and He told them that in order for them to become immortal they must do one thing... and that is to receive His Divine Love in their souls... but they pooh-poohed His invitation and, basically, told Him to go take a hike. Because our Heavenly Father knows best, He said it's either my way or the highway... so let's just say they gambled and they lost.
Not sure if you ever saw my video, but this explains exactly what happened and the consequences of their fall... which was a fall from no longer were they spiritual beings, but were human with animal natures and appetites... and it was they who created sin and evil by the decision they made.
I dunno Kat....Adam, a full grown man NOT paying attention to the naked chick would make him like gay or something!
All I'm pointing out is that the Bible makes the following statements: (1) In Genesis 2:25 -- And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. (2) In Genesis 3:7 -- And the eyes of them both were opened, and they know that they were naked... (3) Genesis 4:1 -- And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived. To me that sounds like they didn't have sex until they realized they were naked. If this full grown man was unaware that both he and the chick were naked, he was obviously NOT paying attention to her. If that was the case, he was obviously not interested in having sex with her. Of course it seems crazy to us, but unlike Adam and Eve, we'd be aware if we were naked in some garden with someone of the opposite sex.
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Lol! I'm sorry but little kids actually do have sexual tendencies (not in a perverted way though) so I'm guessing that A&E were all hormonal and noticing things also. And besides that, sex was NOT a sin at the time!
Put a two year old boy and a two year old girl in a bathtub together and they won't even notice that they're not built the same. Put a six year old boy and a six year old girl in the tub together and you'll get an entirely different result. And who said anything about sex being sinful?
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The only rule they had was to not eat the fruit. They could be having sex day and night with each other and the sheep and it was not a sin. Right?
No, wrong. Again, I said nothing at all about sex being sinful. All I said was that if they didn't even know they were naked, that is obviously symbolic of something. I think it's symbolic of the sexual naivete or inexperience. (I used the word "innocence" but not to mean innocence as opposed to guilt. I used it to mean inexperience.)
OK,so I had this thought.The Bible we are supposed to take literally tells us that Adam and Eve were created naked,lived together naked without shame,and then after eating the apple realized they were naked and hid from God in shame.But here's the thing.God created A&E naked and obviously had no issues with them being naked,but God also must be the one who created the Tree of Knowledge and planted it in the Garden of Eden (if you believe in the Garden,but that's another thread) and put the knowledge that being naked is shameful in the apple.So here is the conflict.If God thought nakedness was evil and shameful,then why leave A&E buck naked and co-habitating?If God was OK with a naked man and woman running around the Garden,then why put knowledge in the apple that nakedness is shameful?God is both the one who left A&E naked and enjoyed their company while they were naked,and the one who made the Tree that caused A&E to realize that nudity was (supposedly) shameful.
So what gives?
It had nothing to do with the "moral factor" of nakedness. You see, once they got busted for eating the apple...they would swear off that fruit...they would logically turn to another fruit. Would YOU want to be naked in the middle of a blackberry/raspberry patch?
I am naked all the time, I know that I am naked, and I have no shame. PLUS: I have eaten apples.
I know, TMI and really no point to it!
Frankly, being ashamed for your body is nothing more than societal influence.
I also think it's kind of an affront to god (if you so believe). So, if god made humans in his likeness and everything god does is perfect, then we can assume that our bodies are perfect. Isn't being ashamed of that perfect body that god made a diss to the creator?
Shush! This isn't complicated! Eve was nekked, she rode around on dinosaurs and she was a blonde hottie.
The only problem was that no matter what the viewing angle was, her nethers were always obscured by convenient surrounding foliage and objects. That would be my luck.
And as far as Adam goes, he spent his days in the garden standing in waist deep water so as not to offend the other cute furry garden creatures. I swear, it was all good... from a twisted, frustrating and self-denialist christian perspective.
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