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Old 07-11-2010, 08:58 AM
 
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If you read these links,it shows that currently held scientific ideas may not be totally accurate.Since I,although a Christian,am also a firm believer in science and things like evolution,why post this showing where science didn't get it exactly right?Simple.Because it shows how science puts searching for the truth above defending what it thinks is probably the truth.Science examines new evidence,actually,science seeks out new evidence,even if new evidence says something different than what is generally believed.That's how a real search for the truth works.

This willingness to examine it's beliefs in light of new evidence is what separates it from religion,which is more interested in defending older and more accepted ideas that have become entrenched as dogma.Science looks for truth.It was science that brought up the possibility that these ideas might be wrong,not something opposed to science from outside of it.Religion looks for affirmation of what it wants to believe.Science accepts facts contrary to it's preheld ideas if further investigation shows the older ideas to not be entirely correct.Religion condemns and tries to prevent anything that shows their ideas to be wrong.


This,on the other hand, is what religion gives you in response to scientific inquiries into it's beliefs.


http://www.galileowaswrong.com/galileowaswrong/

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Old 07-11-2010, 09:07 AM
 
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While an interesting article, reading made my brain hurt. Lol!
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Old 07-11-2010, 10:20 AM
 
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The fundamental difference between science and religion

An open inquisitive, questioning mind vs. the closed mind

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“A closed mind is like a closed book; just a block of wood”
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Old 07-11-2010, 10:50 AM
 
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The fundamental difference between science and religion:

Religion states a position as being fact, then searches for the information to back it up, if information is found to dismiss the claim, the information is deemed to be in error.

Science complies the information then proposes it to be fact, if the information changes then the fact will change also.
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Old 07-11-2010, 11:17 AM
 
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Default Nonsense.

Simply put, if the geo-centric model were correct, then the outer components of the universe (>> 200 million light years...) would have to completely circle the Earth once every 24 hours. Impossible. Even our sun would have a comet-like tail behind it, and this model does not allow for changing seasonal day lengths here on Earth unless you "squint your brain" quite a bit.....

As well, all of the calculations that NASA, JPL etc. do to place a satellite within a mile or two of it's intended destination out on the plane and orbit of, say, Jupiter, would simply not work.

Then we have the calculations of Hubble, etc.

Ewww Eeeewwwhhh!! I know, I know!! It's all the biggest conspiracy to suppress information ever concocted by the mind of man, and it's held up for literally 250 years! Yep. now THAT'S believable!
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Old 07-11-2010, 12:05 PM
 
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The fundamental difference is that science looks to answer questions that are so far unknown....Religion thinks it has all the answers, so never questions what they believe...God dunit.
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Old 07-11-2010, 12:05 PM
 
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Simply put, if the geo-centric model were correct, then the outer components of the universe (>> 200 million light years...) would have to completely circle the Earth once every 24 hours. Impossible. Even our sun would have a comet-like tail behind it, and this model does not allow for changing seasonal day lengths here on Earth unless you "squint your brain" quite a bit.....

As well, all of the calculations that NASA, JPL etc. do to place a satellite within a mile or two of it's intended destination out on the plane and orbit of, say, Jupiter, would simply not work.

Then we have the calculations of Hubble, etc.

Ewww Eeeewwwhhh!! I know, I know!! It's all the biggest conspiracy to suppress information ever concocted by the mind of man, and it's held up for literally 250 years! Yep. now THAT'S believable!
I think you responded to the wrong thread
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Old 07-11-2010, 01:09 PM
 
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...currently held scientific ideas may not be totally accurate.Since I,although a Christian,am also a firm believer in science and things like evolution,why post this showing where science didn't get it exactly right?Simple.Because it shows how science puts searching for the truth above defending what it thinks is probably the truth.Science examines new evidence,actually,science seeks out new evidence,even if new evidence says something different than what is generally believed.That's how a real search for the truth works.

This willingness to examine it's beliefs in light of new evidence is what separates it from religion,which is more interested in defending older and more accepted ideas that have become entrenched as dogma.Science looks for truth.It was science that brought up the possibility that these ideas might be wrong,not something opposed to science from outside of it.Religion looks for affirmation of what it wants to believe.Science accepts facts contrary to it's preheld ideas if further investigation shows the older ideas to not be entirely correct.Religion condemns and tries to prevent anything that shows their ideas to be wrong.


This,on the other hand, is what religion gives you in response to scientific inquiries into it's beliefs.
If all truth is God's truth, wouldn't it stand to reason that scientific findings would support and at times help clarify scriptural truth? If Christianity and the Bible are true, wouldn't it stand to reason that the Christian world view (as opposed to some lunkhead claiming to be a Christian) would mutually support scientific and technological advancement?
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Old 07-11-2010, 02:19 PM
 
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If all truth is God's truth, wouldn't it stand to reason that scientific findings would support and at times help clarify scriptural truth? If Christianity and the Bible are true, wouldn't it stand to reason that the Christian world view (as opposed to some lunkhead claiming to be a Christian) would mutually support scientific and technological advancement?
True,up to the point that religion starts denying scientific truths solely because they conflict with religious dogma.Some examples are

creationism
Noah and the Flood
geocentrism
hundreds of years old ancient people

None of these have the slightest bit of provable facts.They are all based solely on "the Bible say so".No tests,no observations,no experimental data.Just dogma.When one veers away from experiential facts ( in regards to the physical world),one is no longer seeking the truth,but seeking support for ones preheld dogma.This is where religion differs from science.It does not always seek the truth,it sometimes seeks ways to deny the truth and maintain a semblance of support for it's established dogma.
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Old 07-11-2010, 03:23 PM
 
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True,up to the point that religion starts denying scientific truths solely because they conflict with religious dogma.Some examples are

creationism

Noah and the Flood
geocentrism
hundreds of years old ancient people

None of these have the slightest bit of provable facts.They are all based solely on "the Bible say so".No tests,no observations,no experimental data.Just dogma.When one veers away from experiential facts ( in regards to the physical world),one is no longer seeking the truth,but seeking support for ones preheld dogma.This is where religion differs from science.It does not always seek the truth,it sometimes seeks ways to deny the truth and maintain a semblance of support for it's established dogma.
Can "religion" really deny or affirm anything?

It seems to me your beef is with certain individual/collective people or organizations that appear to have different views than you do with respect to Biblical hermeneutics.

If you can reasonably demonstrate that "creationism, Noah and the Flood, geocentrism and hundreds of years old people" are being widely misinterpreted, why not go ahead and do so?

It seems to me, just as is the case with science, there are many things in scripture that will remain a mystery. Personally, I'm perfectly okay with not having all the answers rather than pretending to know things that no one can possibly know, prove or reasonably demonstrate.
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