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Old 08-14-2010, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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PITTSON...tgnostic could be agreeing with you....could be right on topic to the OP......could be responding to post a from a different forum.
We're never going to know which. Numerous requests have been made to reveal whether or not English is the 1st language, whether or not an inadequate translator is being used.....none of which has gotten a reply.
Don't know why 'he' persists "Shrug"
Seriously.....I despise fighting.....I hate NOONE.....I only "hate" out of self defense. And I readily acknowledge I may be over reacting. But how would anyone respond in this situation. I am only trying to point out the harm SOME Religious views cause people. I NEVER said I'm totally against religion OR even that I did not believe in God.

But when I am reduced to some sub-human...sex crazed devil...well what do you or any of you expect from me...I too have feelings...I too cry...I too lash out.

I said it earlier in a dark lettered post and I'll add another link too; I am only a man...a gay one; but still a man. Don't you think I had to fight even more to prove that than a straight man...ONCE AGAIN...PLEASE READ THIS POST and then WIDEN the debate OFF OF HOMO....NOMO....there are 2 more other threads dealing with that aspect of religion/science.....EXCLUSIVELY....RESPECT ME...I am obviously articulate.....LOL>>>>>
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Old 08-14-2010, 09:21 AM
 
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NO!!!!! Not you......Just I asked for respect and got more rhetoric....so like I said...I can be vicious but also intellectual...no offense intended; but I have been attacked so often...I AM SICK OF IT and TIRED of IT...the thread was not a GAY THREAD.....I made that clear from the OP......it is a small part of the debate.

BUT I will defend myself with the same amount of vigor relative to my attackers. The thread is being derailed because "they" cannot intellectually debate....let alone add links etc. from reputable sources.

Unfortunately I too have feelings...LOL...and lash out accordingly...I apologize.....I usually temper my posts; but I asked for respect!!! WE all deserve that!!!!! These zealots have none and spew nonsense with NO legitimate links.....I'm sorry but I grow weary of idiots!!!!
I detected the derail and attempted to get the thread on track by posting my earlier posts in answer to a compliment . . . it failed to stop the derail. Your sensitivity on the issue is completely understandable . . . but response to that kind of visceral ignorance only fuels it. It is not intellectual. (BTW . . . GldnRule is no bigot and has no hatred toward anyone that I can detect . . . so old_cold is libeling him unfairly).
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Old 08-14-2010, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I detected the derail and attempted to get the thread on track by posting my earlier posts in answer to a compliment . . . it failed to stop the derail. Your sensitivity on the issue is completely understandable . . . but response to that kind of visceral ignorance only fuels it. It is not intellectual. (BTW . . . GldnRule is no bigot and has no hatred toward anyone that I can detect . . . so old_cold is libeling him unfairly).
He referred to it as 'elective behavior'....denigrated the level of hardship that Pittson may have experienced, first of all, without even knowing what that might be and second, even if "only' being viewed by a big share of the population as a disgusting degenerate and abomination in the yes of God and good Christians, is substantial.
That's enough for me
For the record, I didn't use the word 'hatred'....I very seldom use the word hate.
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Old 08-14-2010, 09:41 AM
 
Location: southern california
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big bang is not fact. it ignores huge amounts of conflicting info.
our current science tends to ignore new finds unless they support the dominate view of history.
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Old 08-14-2010, 09:47 AM
 
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Ashville Native !!! ... You do have very strong convictions !

You appear to be so certain, so absolutely convinced that you are correct regarding those old, old fables written so long ago !
Of course I am. Everything that is not real was invented in the mind of man, and for reason at the time. The problem is that once man learned the real reason behind things he refused to give up the imaginary solution he invented in his mind. Seems that it is human nature that when an idea is born in fear, it is so hard to find the courage to question that idea.

Example:
  • Man sees the sun come up every day.
  • Man recognizes he needs it to see, for warmth.
  • Man doesn't know why it come up, not a clue.
  • Man invents an unseen deity that does it.
  • Now man worries, what if I make this unseen deity mad and it withholds the sun.
  • Man invents rituals to appease this deity so the sun will always come back.

Fear was the motivation to invent this deity, and it served a purpose, letting man cease to worry about at least the return of the sun tomorrow. So what other worries need deities? Or we could merge them all into one that controlled everything that I don't have an understanding of, and I'll worship that one.

What a burden to carry around in one's mind today, how the ignorance of the past is so embraced still. Why, the 'fear' factor of I'm not sure so I'll stick with it, the inability or refusal to actually think beyond the teachings you have been programmed with, likely from a very early age?
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Old 08-14-2010, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Florida
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When I have read books about India, for instance,and read how poorer than the dirt poor give up what little they do have and even borrow more, to meet obligations they believe must be done for marraiges, deaths, holy days and events.......I would say that qualifies as to how religion can be detrimental .
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Old 08-14-2010, 10:50 AM
 
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You've wantonly and carelessly impregnated women, not once, but several times?
Don't learn from your mistakes or just don't care?
Then dare to criticize them?
You're a piece of work.
I also suggest the type of people you associate with , that engage in sex for money, don't represent, not just homosexuals, but many/most(?)hetrosexuals either.
Homosexual sex is revolting to me, too.....but so is paid straight sex....or even any sex with hundreds of men I have met that I can bring to mind.
In this day and age I can't believe people still maintain that homosexuality is choice rather than biology......among, that is, those not engaged in trading their bodies for cash.
You wrongly assume "wantonly and carelessly".

You also wrongly assume it was recently, and with girls from "the business".

Of the four--One was my wife at the time. One was planned. Only one was unexpected (no birth control works 100%). Two of the "unplanned", were not "unexpected"...when you don't try to prevent it, even though you may not be "specifically trying", you know it a good possibility.

You are also wrong that I don't respect many people...I respect just about everybody...including the people I work with.

The point I was making...in case you didn't notice...was that, even though I'M NOT looking at his homosexuality and viewing him negatively for it (even though I find the behavior itself unappealing) it is a given that others in this world WILL. I even gave examples of things that people feel strongly about...both for and against. I wasn't "judging" him...I don't judge people on their sexual behaviors that I may find unappealing to ME, as long as what they are doing is acceptable to all involved, and they are old enough to legally make that choice. I was just pointing out that it's to be assumed others WILL judge people on their sexual choices...regardless of whether it's wrong of them to do it. I'm speaking from the experience of decades of being on the recieving end of that judgement...though it doesn't bother me the way it obviously does PITTSTON

Also, just because some proclivity toward a behavior is "biology rather than choice" doesn't mean you can't choose not to engage in that conduct. It is "biology not choice" that makes me feel hungry...but if I want to stay in top shape I am going to have to not eat things I really would like to eat. I CAN eat...just not exactly what, and all, I would like to.

Oh, and BTW, I suggest you do a little research. Surf the web for how many people nowadays "engage in sex for money" in the pornography business. It numbers in the MILLIONS. So, you are wrong about them not "representing" mainstream society. They represent it as well as any other group of people engaged in a vocation also engaged in by millions of others. The prejudice against them, is similar to the prejudice against homosexuals---people don't agree with the choices they make sexually, so they condemn them. MOF...I find revealing the industry I am in to be the "litmus test" for "bias and intolerance toward others for their sexual lifestyle". Some pass...most don't...I'll let you look inside yourself to determine how you did.
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Old 08-14-2010, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Why in Gods name do individuals show depth to ignorance with invitations to "consider" stupidity.

This thread is yet one more bad move giving valuable time to crap.

If the backside of an album is for the birds..........

DO YOU PLAY IT OVER AND OVER ADMIRING YOUSELF FOR THE REASONS WHY ITS CRAP
No but you do to "think" your mind is functional!!!!! ROFLMFAO!!!!
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Old 08-14-2010, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Of course I am. Everything that is not real was invented in the mind of man, and for reason at the time. The problem is that once man learned the real reason behind things he refused to give up the imaginary solution he invented in his mind. Seems that it is human nature that when an idea is born in fear, it is so hard to find the courage to question that idea.

Example:
  • Man sees the sun come up every day.
  • Man recognizes he needs it to see, for warmth.
  • Man doesn't know why it come up, not a clue.
  • Man invents an unseen deity that does it.
  • Now man worries, what if I make this unseen deity mad and it withholds the sun.
  • Man invents rituals to appease this deity so the sun will always come back.

Fear was the motivation to invent this deity, and it served a purpose, letting man cease to worry about at least the return of the sun tomorrow. So what other worries need deities? Or we could merge them all into one that controlled everything that I don't have an understanding of, and I'll worship that one.

What a burden to carry around in one's mind today, how the ignorance of the past is so embraced still. Why, the 'fear' factor of I'm not sure so I'll stick with it, the inability or refusal to actually think beyond the teachings you have been programmed with, likely from a very early age?
I think the ancients were on the right track because the sun IS the creator and sustainer of all life on earth...Every creature on this planet is sustained by plants which convert the suns energy to matter and life.

All hail the sun....
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Old 08-14-2010, 11:00 AM
 
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I think the ancients were on the right track because the sun IS the creator and sustainer of all life on earth...Every creature on this planet is sustained by plants which convert the suns energy to matter and life.

All hail the sun....
Yeah. That sounds right. I wonder where the aincent egyptians are now? I guess they didn't pray to the sun God to keep their empire up.

And of course they were destroyed. Just like all the other ones.
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