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Old 08-09-2010, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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In that respect animals cannot sin in the theological sense, since they did not have any part in Adam's disobedience. They cannot understand the concept. Though oddly enough they share in death which was the punishment for that disobedience.
Now I think you are forgetting your serpents. That whole deal cost those serpents their legs you know.
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Old 08-09-2010, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Animals are considered sinless by God for the simple fact that they are animals. They were not created in his image. They cannot receive the holy spirit. Nor can they worship. Therefore they cannot sin in the eyes of God.
If an animal can't worship, you ain't never met my dog. I doubt that I'm worthy of it, but I've never seen a finer example of unconditional love, and it's from what you call an "animal"
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Old 08-10-2010, 03:38 AM
 
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Now I think you are forgetting your serpents. That whole deal cost those serpents their legs you know.
Rather oddly, the present theory is that snakes evolved from lizards - by losing their legs. Of course it may simply be evolution supposition; after all, were the Darwinist- believers there? And if, snakes evolved from lizards, why are there still lizards?
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Old 08-10-2010, 03:42 AM
 
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If an animal can't worship, you ain't never met my dog. I doubt that I'm worthy of it, but I've never seen a finer example of unconditional love, and it's from what you call an "animal"
Hah! That's not 'worship' or 'Love! That creature just sees you as his security, protector and meal - ticket...now, with my worship and love of God, it's quite diff...ahhh.... "
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Old 08-10-2010, 03:46 AM
 
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Let me guess...You have never owned a dog, have you?....If you had, you would know what I highlighted is incorrect.
True...animals know what is right and wrong - once we've told them. Until then they just do what suits them.

Humans are just the same. They too are just animals and behave the same way until taught otherwise.
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Old 08-10-2010, 04:44 AM
 
Location: PA
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Christians often refer to, "The sinful nature of man." and "original sin of mankind."

My question is: Do/can animals sin? Why or why not?
No, animals cannot sin, because to sin they would need something to sin against. For example, God gave Adam and Eve one commandment; Do not eat of this one certain tree. He did this so Adam and Eve could live righteously. That means to live in right standing with God. To have a choice of freewill to do good or evil, but to chose good. When Adam and Eve ate of the fruit, there was no magical powers in the fruit that caused a curse to come upon the earth, but their act was disobedience against God. God is the authority and Judge since he is creator and the universe is his creation. He can set up the rules and He has.

Animals on the other hand were given no commandments by God. So, there is nothing for them to sin against.

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Could it be said that the "sinful nature of man" is really man's animal instincts/behaviors inherited through evolution of the species?
No! man does not have animal instincts. God created man similar to animals. He created us with inherant behaviors to survive in this creation of his. But man is not animal. Man did not evolve, because there is no such thing as evolution. Evolution is just mans attempt to explain the events of the past based on the things he sees around him in the present. Evolution is not science, but is rather a story that sometimes uses science to attempt to prove a point. However, those who are open to scientific discovery will see that science favors the creation model as found in Genesis then an Evolutionary model.

It has been said by the scientific community that evolution is a theory. But, alas a theory is highly supported and evolution is not. Evolution is rather just a hypothesis (someones idea) which is poorly supported by conjecture (ie. claims made by evolutionists with no support by evidence).

God created all animals similar in structure. Evolutionists look to the similarity claiming common decent. But rather it is just common design.
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Old 08-10-2010, 04:48 AM
 
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Christians often refer to, "The sinful nature of man." and "original sin of mankind."

My question is: Do/can animals sin? Why or why not?

Could it be said that the "sinful nature of man" is really man's animal instincts/behaviors inherited through evolution of the species?
I used to have a dog. He used to ee inside. That was bad form, but I don't consider it to be sin as God gave his Law to humans who were created in his image and therefore animals can't sin.
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Old 08-10-2010, 05:32 AM
 
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Animals are considered sinless by God for the simple fact that they are animals. They were not created in his image. They cannot receive the holy spirit. Nor can they worship. Therefore they cannot sin in the eyes of God.

How about the serpent in the garden of Eden? Didn't it sin when it tempted Eve?
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Old 08-10-2010, 05:39 AM
 
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.... Man did not evolve, because there is no such thing as evolution. Evolution is just mans attempt to explain the events of the past based on the things he sees around him in the present. Evolution is not science, but is rather a story that sometimes uses science to attempt to prove a point. However, those who are open to scientific discovery will see that science favors the creation model as found in Genesis then an Evolutionary model.

It has been said by the scientific community that evolution is a theory. But, alas a theory is highly supported and evolution is not. Evolution is rather just a hypothesis (someones idea) which is poorly supported by conjecture (ie. claims made by evolutionists with no support by evidence).

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Nikk, me ol' mate, I really, really, do not know how anyone who can type in the words 'Talk Origins' and read what's in front of them can possibly post anything as fatuous as this.

Please let us all know what scientific evidence favours the creation model as found in Genesis rather than an evolutionary model, and please don't just post pictures of contorted fossil skeletons which you suppose died in the Flood.
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Old 08-10-2010, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Florida
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As my dogs lord and master, it is I who define good and bad.

And the other night, it was I that cast judgement upon that large stinky mass.
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