If, according to the Christian faith, God is so loving, kind and gentle, why are..... (Isaiah, Jesus)

[Roman6]

Originally Posted by GldnRule

Look man...the wonderful message of unconditional love, peace, tolerance, and mercy that has resonated down through the centuries is the best EVER. The legend of the man called Jesus Christ, as told in the Bible...is the most common, influential, and most beautiful source, of that message.

But over those thousands of years, evil men on a quest for wealth and power, have polluted and perverted that book...so they could use it as a tool to extort money and control people.

That Rules/Judgment/Satan/Hell stuff is the main line of BS they put in there to accomplish their evil agenda. It worked then...and it's still working now.

That stuff is NOT TRUE. Just use logic and reason..."All Loving Entities" don't cause harm or hurt AT ALL...let alone torture forever.

Quit insulting God, Jesus and Jesus' message. The message is Tolerance, Peace, Mercy, and LOVE--beyond anything imaginable. NOT Judgmental Hate, and eternal torture--beyond anything imaginable...THAT is the BS that was put in, so the evil men could run their game. You need to get hip to that.

Jesus Christ came to save humans from something. If he didn't then he was crucified for nothing.

He came to save all those who believe in him from eternal damnation.

If all he came to do was denounce false teachers and spread some good vibrations about the place then all the false angel worshippers who roam the earth today would be able to stand next to him in comparison.

You claim the Scripture is doctored to suit the fancies of a few individuals.

Three simple facts refute that claim.

1. The Roman Catholic Church is damned by the Holy Bible.

2. The first Christians gave everything they had for the church and then gave their lives for Christ.

3. The Old Testament in the Holy Bible is identical to the Jewish Scriptures of the Torah.

The Scriptures are what they are. And I testify that the Holy Scriptures are the most necessary tool for coming to know the true God through his Son Jesus Christ.

Thanks for your post.

[Huckleberry3911948]

per op. it leaves the other 80% in a very hot place. the evil in current christian teaching is that they preach that there is no consequences for wrong doing, which is diametrically opposed to what life teaches. that is why the OT got left in the bible, to teach consequences. yes there is archangel gabriel, but everybody forgot about archangel michael.

[ho hey!]

According to Christians (the ones that I know of), they believe that God IS loving, forgiving, full of compassion, merciful and full of grace...But He is ALSO Just, Holy and Perfect. Now who would ignore God's other attribute "Just, Holy and Perfect"?

[Sir Les]

[quote=beenhereandthere;15405784]80 to 90% of the worlds people going to go to hell?

To answer that question one has to read the scriptures and find out what God has asked or demanded we do here....in accordance to his will and his word...for life is gained by those two precepts.

If we do not follow those words and his will...then what is created is a bent or chaotic estate or estates in the matrix.
These bent and or chaotic estates cause problems to arise, and when left unchecked and over time become serious detramentals to the whole matrix.

If the whole matrix fails (eco systems and other life which support the matrix) We all die!

So not listening to God and his word or will..only causes us to destroy the matrix (Planet) in which we live.
By doing harm to the elementals and ozone, and poisoning the food chain, Waters, soils and air with pollutance...a bio hazard is created which is then problematically induced by our own actions!
We destroy ourselves, and the matrix we are in, because we do not listen to GOD or follow his word and will.

THus we create our own hell...and we then die in it.
Because we do not listen to God, or good council from God (Jesus) or (Moses) or the other prophets who spoke on God's behalf....this world is becoming polluted and highly over burdened with people who do the same!
And they all have a right to vote the same system into power that is causing the detramantal to be...so they keep the system that is in error in continuance!

Also, if he knows (according to scripture) who will accept him and who wont...

Yes...all those who believe there is no God, or that God is the problem...WHere is God?...
Now if God showed himself...would they crucify him like they did his son?
And what about all those who listened to Jesus and were rounded up and slaughtered .....those Kind of People still exist...if you question the governing bodies of some nations about their secrets...and dig up enough dirt...and truth...and make it known to the poeple...and gain a following of some degree of belief in those truths and unhidden secrets....they would send out a hit squad to take you out!
And don"t say they don't do that anymore...cause we all know that it is so.

So why would God come here?
Let em burn and sit and swelter in their own destruction!

and if he his almighty and in control....
doesn't that seem like he is choosing which ones will be going to heaven and which ones will be going to hell before one is born?

God said he would write it into their hearts and minds to do his will...

And when they are born....they sow some seeds that Are Prohibited?....and are put into Jail or worse....
So even those whom God tries to get to do his will, and fulfill his word, are still tramatized, and dishonoured..by a law which Has no merit truth to it...while all the evils God spoke about are done for profits and gains...
While the majority of the populious does nothing to restore the eden principle sinlessly.
And so the matrix suffer because of the prohibition, and punishing of those whom God has sent to do a simple yet so important part of that fulfilling.

And while they put Good people into Prison for growing plants....the Gays and Lesbians and other twisted inlisted dance in the streets, while making wars on innocent people so the blood flows into the cup of God's wrath!


Getting back to the 80 to 90% part: I would assume that only 20% of the WORLD (not US) population follow Christ like say, Billy Graham, etc...

IF we take Acts 3:21 and 10:15 and try them out on the Genesis part...

Restoration of something that was taken in disobediance to right the wrong which was done by ADAM and Eve...with out second Judging anything God made Good, and Gave to US all...Genesis 9:3

Nothing profaned...nothing omitted...nothing taken away!

So all plants are Good according to God!
and they all play a part in the making of the dome of ozone...remove one vital part and the system fails over time!

if accepting Jesus as lord and savior is the only way to heaven, according to the bible, where does that leave the other 80% of the world?
I'm not sure if it's 80%, especially when you take the Bible saying "I will never forsake you", into play, but I think I can confidently say, the majority of folks in the world are not "born again Christians".....
so therefore, most of the world, maybe as high as 80% are going to hell? I thought God was a loving God.

Jesus said "Love covers a multitude of Sins"....but they are still sins!
Jesus also said..."DO no more SINS and be forgiven"

And if we protract from What God is about...MAKING LIFE....It says God makes Life....So what are we really making here with Sex and what they call LOVE with the IDOL God also spoke about in his LAWS of LIFE?

"They will turn their weapons into plowsheers and pruning hooks"
In the End, because that is the only way....the last resort...the solution is to share Like God...share everything.....and then there is no more need for $atan...DO no more sin...and death will be no more....and when those two things are done...and we restore Edens to this world...God will come and share in it and make it abundantly giving!...so all life in turn help make the eden principle work...in some regards...break too many of the chains links and the chain of Life fails US.

Again making our own demise!


I'm not saying I think the way I've posted this thread, however, these are a few things, I've heard from folks in "Christianity debates"............ We can debate things forever...what is needed is the truth..the undeniable Truth...ANd even though God has Given that Truth to us through his word and Jesus Christs word.....and even our own coming into the truth...it is not done, or the error is not corrected by the majority Living here...So death continues...and sins and evils are abounding here too...wonder why?

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[beenhereandthere]

Originally Posted by Avasa

Put the bad sandwich on a plate with healthy sandwiches and tell them of the bad one, then let them decide for themselves.

But if God controls everything and is omnipotent and all knowing......people, when it comes right down to it, don't decide this for themseleves....
if you take the Bible the way some of it is written.

[beenhereandthere]

Originally Posted by old_cold

Analogy
There are two kids...one is a brat that disobeys mom all day long.
The other is a sanctimonious little do-right that looks upon the other kid with distain and threatens what punishments are going to befall him.
Come dinner time mom fixes their plates and gives them the same exact wonderful dinner.
Prissy is now really pissy thinking about how unfair it is that she struggled all day long to behave just so perfectly but mom still loves them both just the same.
Reading some of these posts appears to be a lot of foot stomping about the unfairness of it all and the genuine desire to witness and delight in the sibling getting a whomping.
Perhaps the meanness in ones heart is as bad, if not worse, then all the misbehaving the brother is doing.

While that is not a bad quote, again it just doesn't seem like a loving God's nature, to "allow" (if you really think about it) nations of Buddists, Islamics, or even Mormons, to follow that religion with a passion, have them die and then say....."oops you didn't accept Jesus as savior, my son is the only way out of (say 30 religions) to go to heaven, sorry....here's hell".....
again it doesn't seem like the God that Christians, make their God out to be.

[Avasa]

Originally Posted by beenhereandthere

But if God controls everything and is omnipotent and all knowing......people, when it comes right down to it, don't decide this for themseleves....
if you take the Bible the way some of it is written.

Some of the Bible goes just as stated but some of it clearly shows God given people choices. From my studying so far I have learned that God has a plan for his Heavens and Earth and that plan will be fulfilled. In dealing with humans however, God gives us freedom to choose.

[ChristyGrl]

Originally Posted by Avasa

Some of the Bible goes just as stated but some of it clearly shows God given people choices. From my studying so far I have learned that God has a plan for his Heavens and Earth and that plan will be fulfilled. In dealing with humans however, God gives us freedom to choose.

You just don't GET IT Evasa...there ARE NO CHOICES TO BE MADE...if God is Omniscient and already knows the outcome...there is NOTHING WE CAN CHOOSE TO DO OR NOT DO THAT WILL CHANGE THE OUTCOME. What you are calling free will is just an illusion.

[Avasa]

Originally Posted by ChristyGrl

You just don't GET IT Evasa...there ARE NO CHOICES TO BE MADE...if God is Omniscient and already knows the outcome...there is NOTHING WE CAN CHOOSE TO DO OR NOT DO THAT WILL CHANGE THE OUTCOME. What you are calling free will is just an illusion.

That isn't what the Bible says.

[ChristyGrl]

Originally Posted by Avasa

That isn't what the Bible says.

Then you have absolutely NO CLUE what OMNISCIENCE means...and it's hard to explain that to someone who is as uneducated and clueless as you seem to be.