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Old 09-21-2010, 12:25 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I agree that all emperical evidence points out that there is no God.
Really? Many hold to the idea that creation, particularly extremely complex and delicately balanced living organisms, points to a designer/creator.
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Old 09-21-2010, 12:30 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I think it would be more fun if - at this C-D religion forum conference we didn't have tags stating our religious persuasion. We could all meet each other and chit chat - and then later we could guess people's religion!!! I think there would be some shocked people!
I'm sure. I have met a few atheists who act just like religious fundies. Maybe it's more of a personality trait than a religious/non-religious persuasion.
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Old 09-21-2010, 12:49 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Another benefit of civility is that there is a remote possibility that someone will come over to your side if you don't unload vitriol on them. There is no possibility at all if you do.
That's right. Even in business I have found that it's beneficial to be kind/tolerant - even with bad customers.

Example: I had a customer who almost drove me NUTS always wanting something for for really cheap and then complaining etc. - but instead if telling him to get lost I kindly did the work and gave a few discounts along the way (the person was not well off at all). Since we stayed on good terms the customer recommended me to a friend who turned out to be a very wealthy person who spent a ton of money with me and still brings me business to this day (some 20 years later).

I am SO glad I resisted the urge to tell the original customer off and kick him out of my studio!
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Old 09-21-2010, 12:59 AM
 
Location: NZ Wellington
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Really? Many hold to the idea that creation, particularly extremely complex and delicately balanced living organisms, points to a designer/creator.
Except when you start noticing animals trying to eat other animals... or worst... Like the wasp that stings a cicada, only to paralyze it, then lays it eggs inside for the larva to eat it alive.

We are only alive because we kill other living things.
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Old 09-21-2010, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Really? Many hold to the idea that creation, particularly extremely complex and delicately balanced living organisms, points to a designer/creator.
Perhaps the word emperical, in my post, escaped your notice .

Empirical - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Scientific method - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .
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Old 09-21-2010, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Perhaps the word emperical, in my post, escaped your notice .

Empirical - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Scientific method - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .
I noticed the word empirical but I disagree that it "points out that there is no God".
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Old 09-21-2010, 09:48 PM
 
Location: NC, USA
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What Common Ground; Can Be Found, Between Religious And Non-Religious Posters?

Most of them are, at least,......quasi-human.
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Old 09-21-2010, 10:46 PM
 
Location: 30-40°N 90-100°W
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Except when you start noticing animals trying to eat other animals... or worst... Like the wasp that stings a cicada, only to paralyze it, then lays it eggs inside for the larva to eat it alive.

We are only alive because we kill other living things.
This is in no way an argument against the theory that as a Universe with life as we know it is so unlikely there must be an intelligence behind it all. All you're saying is you think an intelligence wouldn't make things so icky, but you're ideas of ickiness or even inhumanity are not really relevant to the question in itself. Few theists I know of believe the Universe is created to be perfect or devoid of suffering. Besides which theism, in itself, does not necessarily even imply that God is purely good.

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What Common Ground; Can Be Found, Between Religious And Non-Religious Posters?

Most of them are, at least,......quasi-human.
I think you're just human, not quasi, even if statements like this could maybe make one wonder.
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Old 09-22-2010, 03:20 AM
 
Location: NZ Wellington
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This is in no way an argument against the theory that as a Universe with life as we know it is so unlikely there must be an intelligence behind it all. All you're saying is you think an intelligence wouldn't make things so icky, but you're ideas of ickiness or even inhumanity are not really relevant to the question in itself. Few theists I know of believe the Universe is created to be perfect or devoid of suffering. Besides which theism, in itself, does not necessarily even imply that God is purely good.
That's not the point. The design natural selection has left us is NOT intelligent.

YouTube - Stupid Design

You see design because you can not envision an alternative. Just keep that mind of your close, I'm sure it will serve you well.
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Old 09-22-2010, 03:56 AM
 
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I can envision an alternative, but it still doesn't change that life itself is amazingly unlikely for a variety of reasons. Tyson makes some good points, but many of them are quite speculative or based in "I think it would be nice if X were different, it not being different means it's bad."

And having been a deformed baby pictures of deformed babies is never the right tack to take with me on the "there is no God" idea.
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