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Exodus 2, verse 13. From here. I am citing the KJV because that is what many christians agree is the most authoritative word for word translation available.
So it says kill, yet when people actually talk about this, christians often jump up and say that the correct translation is actually murder.
It makes a difference. Can the biblical scholars on the board jump in and given reasons for one or the other?
The only exception to this rule is .... spiders that rudely show themselves in your house.
I never thought about that! I always assumed that it just applied to people! Hmmnnn, how is that for a literal, fundamental interpretation of the bible? If creation happened in literal, 24 hour days, then taking this verse just as literally has some interesting implications.
We can talk about the self defense exception later. It is a good area for debate.
I never thought about that! I always assumed that it just applied to people! Hmmnnn, how is that for a literal, fundamental interpretation of the bible? If creation happened in literal, 24 hour days, then taking this verse just as literally has some interesting implications.
We can talk about the self defense exception later. It is a good area for debate.
Honestly I really don't kill anything if I can avoid it (squirrels around here like to play "dodge" the car a little too often...LOL). I'm really not thrilled with eating meat for this reason, but I don't think it's healthy to feed growing children vegetarian (please veggies on the board, no flaming for this). I can't stand hunters who do it for sport (feeding your family is one thing, but to make a wall hanging disgusts me). I am against the death penalty because I don't think anyone has the right to take a life for any reason (except to save their's or someone else's life) and most of our spiders are sent outside if I can catch them with out touching them.
I always took it to mean kill. The only exception to this rule is self defense and spiders that rudely show themselves in your house.
Yes, one of my main conserns regarding this has always been wether it's only appliable to humans, or if animals are also included. I admit, I do kill spiders (usually I wimp out and let someone else do it, but that's because I am a true coward when it comes to insects) but I cannot for some reason kill flies and other bigger animals.
And just the meer thought of taking a human's life or another big animal's life (no matter the reason, defense or no defense) creeps me out. I even have nightmares about it
There is a difference. Murder is considered a premeditated act planned for a specific reason. If a person is in a position where someone is trying to kill you and you have to defend yourself, that's a different situation.
The Bible is pretty clear in both matters because the penalties were different. If a man murdered another, then he was put to death. If the killing was deemed an accident, then they had to go before judges to determine the matter. There were also three cities determined as refuge in case a person who accidentally killed someone would be guaranteed safety until the matter could be properly judged.
Ok, but the portion of the 10Cs says "kill". If there is a difference in penalty, does that mean that the 10Cs are wrong, or the penalties are wrong? Or is this a contradiction in the bible?
Exodus 2, verse 13. From here. I am citing the KJV because that is what many christians agree is the most authoritative word for word translation available.
So it says kill, yet when people actually talk about this, christians often jump up and say that the correct translation is actually murder.
It makes a difference. Can the biblical scholars on the board jump in and given reasons for one or the other?
Well, it's actually clear from the rest of the Bible the murder was what was meant, since God commanded the Israelites to kill, in war, many times. So obviously God says there is a time and a place for everything, including killing. What is meant here is that we should not murder someone outside of a battle situation or self-defense, IMO.
I myself will kill every single spider I can find!
And BTW, the KJV is NOT a word for word translation, but that is a topic for another thread. It is by and large a decent translation however, and beautifully written.
There is a difference. Murder is considered a premeditated act planned for a specific reason. If a person is in a position where someone is trying to kill you and you have to defend yourself, that's a different situation.
The Bible is pretty clear in both matters because the penalties were different. If a man murdered another, then he was put to death. If the killing was deemed an accident, then they had to go before judges to determine the matter. There were also three cities determined as refuge in case a person who accidentally killed someone would be guaranteed safety until the matter could be properly judged.
Agreed. Stretch, whether the word is the same in the original or whether it is not, the Bible has clearly IMO given instuctions and authority about when "killing" is acceptable, even desirable and when it is the taking of an innocent life.
And btw,irishmom, I guess I'm pretty ruthless. I do kill insects (and any other varmint-not human, let me clarify!!! that would deign to enter the premises.) But I do try to do it humanely and get it over with as quickly as possible!
And btw,irishmom, I guess I'm pretty ruthless. I do kill insects (and any other varmint-not human, let me clarify!!! that would deign to enter the premises.) But I do try to do it humanely and get it over with as quickly as possible!
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I myself will kill every single spider I can find!
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I admit, I do kill spiders (usually I wimp out and let someone else do it, but that's because I am a true coward when it comes to insects) but I cannot for some reason kill flies and other bigger animals.
Oh my lots of dead spiders around!
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). I'm really not thrilled with eating meat for this reason, but I don't think it's healthy to feed growing children vegetarian (please veggies on the board, no flaming for this). I can't stand hunters who do it for sport (feeding your family is one thing, but to make a wall hanging disgusts me). I am against the death penalty because I don't think anyone has the right to take a life for any reason (except to save their's or someone else's life) and most of our spiders are sent outside if I can catch them with out touching them.
