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No one is telling you that it is ok to smoke, there are allot of people acting like atypical sexual behavior harms no one, Multiple sex partners, and homosexuality does hurt people by the millions. Take one look at the rate of people who are being killed in Africa of the Aids epidemic, and then tell me homosexuality, and multiple partners doesn't hurt anyone.
But you see, you're proving my point right there... I never said that homosexuality can't be dangerous, but it's only risky if you practice RISKY sexual behavior - and that applies equally to gay & straight people alike. So my point isn't that it can't hurt you, but rather that it's unfair to single out the gay community. Despite what some people seem to think, they aren't all promiscuous, and in fact I know more "slutty" straight people than gay. Oh, and in regards to the AIDS epidemic in Africa, I don't think that has much to do with homosexuality - especially since that's even less accepted in Africa than in the US (and most other countries). Their problems have to do with lack of knowledge, in regards to safe-sex practices, and a lack of proper health care/education.
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If what I said about Homosexuality is wrong blame the Center For Disease control, they said it not me. If they can not be trusted to give proper statistics who can? And no the CDC article didn't talk about lesbians so I wasn't including them in that part of my argument.
Well, then you should say "gay men", rather than homosexuals in general...
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If you don't trust the CDC how do you know smoking is bad for you?
Never said I don't trust the CDC, nor did I say the statistics were wrong... as a librarian, obviously I use that source quite often & consider it one of my "staples". But like I said above, I'm simply trying to point out the double-standard in relation to homosexuality vs. heterosexuality. I think if you continue reading the CDC's reports, you'll notice that AIDS & STDs are just as big of a problem in the straight community.
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I am sorry about your friend. But I also know from personal experience that suicide can be caused by sexual abuse which sometimes also results in homosexuality. And allot of suicide victims never sleep with the same sex partner.
I don't know the full sexual history of my late friend, but that wouldn't matter anyway... who he slept with has no relevance to his suicide, which was mostly attributed to a lack of acceptance & self-confidence.
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Maybe others judge bad behavior out of self-righteousness, but I have literally woken up on concrete, I am so lucky that my youth did not kill me, or land me in jail. I praise God that I am alive, and I never want to see anyone as low as I once was.
I agree, and have also been through my share of troubles, especially during my teen years... but no matter what I did, my loved ones never judged me unfairly, or used my actions as an excuse to condemn me (not that they would, since we don't believe in that whole thing). And I realize that you only say these things out of concern & care, but I'm just trying to explain how it can only make things worse... if you had people constantly telling you "what you're doing is dangerous and wrong", wouldn't that break you down after a while? Nobody can make a change unless THEY want to, and the only thing we can do is be there for them - 100%, without conditions or judgments. Not that I'd want my gay friends/family to change, but I'm going with your reasoning on that one.
I don't know if this is a new post that just started today or not. I didn't take the time out to read all 14 or 15 pages of it because I am a little short on time but here is my take on a couple of things.
I truly believe that being homosexual is something people are born with.
OK, that being said I think that there are sociological patterns that could also contribute to this as well. In other words, I believe that there are those that are truly born gay and can do nothing about it, but I do believe some make a choice and I'll elaborate a little more.
Personally, I think that children who are sexually molested or even heavily physically abused may have the propensity to perform more taboo sexual acts when they are older. I think I read somewhere that a vast majority of porn actresses were either physically or sexually abused as children. My personal belief is that they grow up numb to the pleasures of just regular sex because it is not something special to them. In order for it to be a worthwhile sexual experience they must pursue other methods. Some take it to further extremes than others and I believe that has more to do with the psychological condition of the individual. I'm sure everyone on this board has come across some pretty strange stuff on the internet whether intentionally or not.
That being said, I do believe that SOME people make the choice to perform homosexual acts as a byproduct of their sociological surroundings. It may be a combination of a little physical abuse, coupled with bad relationships, and becoming slightly introverted as individuals and they find the gay community open and welcoming and tend to veer in that direction. I don't know if that is considered a choice as much as a lifestyle option.
So, yes, I think that some people are making a choice to perform homosexual acts but does that really make them gay? I know there could be a lot of childish answers to this but everyone on here is pretty grown up so don't take that last question the wrong way. What I'm getting at is: Because someone performs an act deemed gay, and may even live a homosexual lifestyle are they truly gay? On the other hand, there are people who I believe are just born gay and have a natural desire to be with individuals of the same sex. I wouldn't classify it as a mental (that sounds so harsh) condition for those that are born that way, but perhaps for the people who have "chosen" the lifestyle it is more of a desire to be an individual and separate themselves from what tormented them as children.
Wzippler- I'm not exactly sure what it is you are getting at here, but I do know that love is not "soft and squishy" !! As your questions resonated with me as someone who has raised a son, I will attempt to answer them: No, of course I would never let someone who is intoxicated get behind the wheel of a car; I parented my son in such a way that he did extremely well academically in school and continues to do so in college; I remember begging my exhusband to modify his diet and stay on his medication in order to prevent a heart attack. Unfortunately, he did not choose to do so. And as a parent, you can bet I would never condone drug use or abuse. I am not an "anything goes" type of person or parent.
As far as the CDC study, I am also not sure what you are getting at...I think most gay men, by now, are more than aware of the risks involved in not practicing safe sex...
I am not, truly not, looking to be antagonistic in responding to your questions. But I sincerely, somehow, missed what was behind your point. For that I apologize, in advance.
Peace!
It is me who should apologize. Every time I got started writing last night I was interrupted by something so my note was kind of off. Sorry I confused you.
When I read your note about agape I got the impression that you thought agape ment we should embrace everything about a person. And my point was even though we must tolerate certain things for the sake of society, and love thier are allot of things we can not embrace, if we are embracing behaviors that are or can be dangerous we are not being loveing.
EXP. A person who said I know if you get in that car drunk you could hurt yourself, and some one else, but you are an adult so here are the keys would not be very loving. If you hand a drunk the keys you are actually telling them you don't care if they get killed.
We have a society today that seems to be encouraging dangerous behavior by thier refusal to judge anyone but fat smokers. I believe thier is a happy medium we can tell people that homosexuailty and other behaviors are dangerous, without doing anything mean to them.
So were you born homosexual, or was it from other causes? No flame, really want to know?
My response to that question has changed since being on CD. Normally I wouldn't answer that question because it's a sometimes unintentional ploy to get off topic and you end up going in circles forever.
No one is every going to agree on this topic even if they're from the same religious background. And really it doesn't matter if you're born gay or not born gay, as we know it's still a sin. God did not create you or I this way. Adam and Eve were the only perfect humans ever created. They were without sin when God created them.
Over the thousands of years sin has changed who we are physically and mentally. It wasn't God's intention, but it happened. So no, he didn't create us this way, but sure there could be a possibility that genes have changed around since Adam and Eve. But yet the Bible still says it's wrong to be with a same sex partner.
As I mentioned in my post, there is no miracle cure or prayer to this...and boy do I sure wish there was.
My response to that question has changed since being on CD. Normally I wouldn't answer that question because it's a sometimes unintentional ploy to get off topic and you end up going in circles forever.
No one is every going to agree on this topic even if they're from the same religious background. And really it doesn't matter if you're born gay or not born gay, as we know it's still a sin. God did not create you or I this way. Adam and Eve were the only perfect humans ever created. They were without sin when God created them.
Over the thousands of years sin has changed who we are physically and mentally. It wasn't God's intention, but it happened. So no, he didn't create us this way, but sure there could be a possibility that genes have changed around since Adam and Eve. But yet the Bible still says it's wrong to be with a same sex partner.
As I mentioned in my post, there is no miracle cure or prayer to this...and boy do I sure wish there was.
So do you think that only those that completely repress their gay thoughts are going to go to heaven? What if they are not completely successful? Will that condemn them to hell?
I.E., we each have a cross to bear, a thorn in the flesh...???
Are you asking me a question?
My silly statement did have a point. And I say this from an Eastern standpoint as well as a Christian one. You have to earn your way into heaven. You can't sit around, do nothing good, me mean to others, gratify every negative desire you have, and coast into heaven.
I know that heaven is a result of self-perfection.....
and I got a long way to go.....
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Oh, and in regards to the AIDS epidemic in Africa, I don't think that has much to do with homosexuality - especially since that's even less accepted in Africa than in the US (and most other countries). Their problems have to do with lack of knowledge, in regards to safe-sex practices, and a lack of proper health care/education.
