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Well my argument if for actual adults...not children. Homosexual or heterosexual sex is not meant for 13 year olds and I would consider that to be sinful and child abuse. So for this thread let's assume the people involved are 18 or at least having sex with teens their same age (because we all know any sex probably is starting much younger than 18 these days...*sigh*).
OK. Now I wish the thread would slow down a little and let us actually debate these points. seems like this one's flying more like an instant message log.
Anyway, you realize that you just called a sin what some folks consider natural, right?
No, she is pointing out that for such a hot topic, Jesus was conspicuosly silent on the subject. And for those that think it was not a hot topic, need I point you towards ancient Greece and Rome, among others?
Ok, so just shoot me, but here goes. Jesus did mention "fornication" Is this not usually defined as sex outside marriage?
And before anyone gets on the "yes, but homosexuals can't marry" bandwagon, let me just say that they couldn't in the time and society which Jesus lived either and I'm pretty sure He would have known that.
No I was asking where was Jesus quoted as saying homosexuality is wrong. As for the bible contradicting the bible, I'm pretty sure that's a topic for another thread all together.
If it is consistent with the teachings of the OT..., and Jesus's other teachings on lust, fornication, drunkenness.. I.E. They will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. I don't think that homosexuality being wrong is a stretch to believe that this is consistant with the teachings of Jesus.
OK. Now I wish the thread would slow down a little and let us actually debate these points. seems like this one's flying more like an instant message log.
Anyway, you realize that you just called a sin what some folks consider natural, right?
You do see that, don't you irishmom?
And jeff, a response to your post is en route.
Well it may be considered natural in some other country and culture but I can only relate to what I am accustomed to which is this country and it would not be considered natural or legal (I think) here. Remembering I'm from NYC and the have lived on the east coast my entire life...13 year olds are not considered the age of consent here. I think you have to be 17 here, but again I'm sure it happens earlier than that.
it seems as though you are not reading the entire post or that you have no concept of Christianity. I dont know and dont care. The bottom line as I have said before, if you are homosexual and want to be Christian, you have to stop being homosexual. If you want to know why being homosexual is bad, ask God when you meet him. My personal thought is that children first need to learn to obey before they can learn to understand the reasoning.
If you arent trying to be a Christian, go do whatever the heck you want to do. Just dont stand on my yard and tell me I have to accept it.
Wow! So Christ-like, such an example of God's love. Glad we have you to tell us so authoritavely right from wrong, what would we do otherwise?
Well it may be considered natural in some other country and culture but I can only relate to what I am accustomed to which is this country and it would not be considered natural or legal (I think) here. Remembering I'm from NYC and the have lived on the east coast my entire life...13 year olds are not considered the age of consent here. I think you have to be 17 here, but again I'm sure it happens earlier than that.
Well, irish, that is exactly the point we're making, I think. At least partially. What you might consider 'natural', others don't. And vice versa. The OT here really isn't even all that religious in nature. It's 'What causes homosexuality?'
Just because a society says something is right or wrong, doesn't mean that it lines up with God's word.
Wow! So Christ-like, such an example of God's love. Glad we have you to tell us so authoritavely right from wrong, what would we do otherwise?
Um, I'm not sure if this is really 'attacking the idea rather than the poster', but I could be wrong.
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Jesus did mention "fornication" Is this not usually defined as sex outside marriage?
